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Bava Basra 150דף יומי שיעור אויף אידיש · בבא בתרא דף קנ
Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Bava Basra daf 150 (מסכת בבא בתרא דף קנ), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.
ואמר רב דימי בר יוסף אמר רבי אלעזר: עשו מטלטלין שיור אצל עבד, ולא עשו מטלטלין שיור אצל כתובה! התם בדין הוא דלא ליתני קרקע; ואיידי דתנא רישא, רבי עקיבא…
The same discussion elsewhere in Shas
- בבא בתרא כז. · Bava Basra 27a
- בבא בתרא סה. · Bava Basra 65a
- בבא בתרא סז. · Bava Basra 67a
- בבא בתרא עג. · Bava Basra 73a
- בבא בתרא עז: · Bava Basra 77b
- בבא בתרא קלא: · Bava Basra 131b
- בבא בתרא קלב. · Bava Basra 132a
- בבא בתרא קמד. · Bava Basra 144a
- בבא בתרא קמו: · Bava Basra 146b
- בבא קמא יב. · Bava Kamma 12a
- בבא קמא קד: · Bava Kamma 104b
- בבא מציעא ד: · Bava Metzia 4b
- בבא מציעא מו. · Bava Metzia 46a
- בבא מציעא מז. · Bava Metzia 47a
- בבא מציעא ק: · Bava Metzia 100b
- חולין קלה. · Chullin 135a
- עירובין עח. · Eruvin 78a
- גיטין ח: · Gittin 8b
- גיטין יד. · Gittin 14a
- גיטין כב. · Gittin 22a
- קידושין ז. · Kiddushin 7a
- קידושין כו. · Kiddushin 26a
- קידושין כז. · Kiddushin 27a
- שבועות לח: · Shevuos 38b
Bava Basra 150: the daf with times in the shiur
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ואמר רב דימי בר יוסף אמר רבי אלעזר: עשו מטלטלין שיור אצל עבד, ולא עשו מטלטלין שיור אצל כתובה!
And Rav Dimi bar Yosef says that Rabbi Elazar says: The Sages deemed movable property to be considered a significant reserving of property for oneself with regard to the emancipation of a slave, so that a slave is not emancipated when his owner gives him all of his other property. But they did not deem movable property that one withheld from his sons and earmarked for his wife to be considered a significant reserving of property with regard to her marriage contract. If one granted all of his property to his sons but reserved any amount of land for his wife, she forfeits her marriage contract. By not protesting the gift, she has conceded that she will collect her marriage contract only from the land he reserved for her. Nevertheless, if he reserved only movable property for his wife, she does not forfeit her marriage contract. Rabbi Elazar’s ruling with regard to a slave indicates that the expression: Reserves any amount of land, does not necessarily exclude movable property.
התם בדין הוא דלא ליתני קרקע; ואיידי דתנא רישא, רבי עקיבא אומר: קרקע כל שהוא חייבת בפאה ובבכורים, ולכתוב עליהם פרוזבול, ולקנות עמהם נכסים שאין להם אחריות בכסף
Rav Yosef replies: There, with regard to the slave, by right the mishna should not have taught the halakha with regard to land, but it should have taught the halakha with regard to all property. But since the former clause of the mishna teaches a halakha with regard to land, the mishna mentions land in the subsequent clause as well. The Gemara cites the former clause (Pe’a 3:6): Rabbi Akiva says: The owner of any amount of land is obligated in pe’a and in first fruits; and if the debtor possesses any amount of land the creditor can write a document that prevents the Sabbatical Year from abrogating an outstanding debt [prosbol] for it so that his loans will not be canceled in the seventh year; and he can acquire property that does not serve as a guarantee along with it by means of money, by a deed, or by taking possession of it. Rav Yosef concludes: Due to this reason, the mishna teaches the halakha with regard to land.
ובשטר ובחזקה – משום הכי קתני קרקע.
וכל היכא דתני ״כל שהוא״ – לית ליה שיעורא? והא תנן, רבי דוסא בן הרכינס אומר: חמש רחלות גוזזות מנה מנה ופרס – חייבות בראשית הגז. וחכמים אומרים:
Abaye raises an objection to Rav Yosef’s statement that the term any amount should be understood literally: And anywhere that the term: Any amount, is taught, does the amount not have a measure? But didn’t we learn in a mishna (Ḥullin 135a): Rabbi Dosa ben Harkinas says: When shearing five sheep, the sheared wool of each sheep, with the wool weighing one hundred dinars and half of one hundred dinars, i.e., one hundred and fifty dinars, renders the owner obligated in the mitzva to give the first sheared wool to the priests. And the Rabbis say: Five sheep, each of whose sheared wool yields wool weighing any amount. And we say: And how much is signified by the term: Any amount? Rav says: A total weight of one hundred dinars and half of one hundred dinars, provided that the one hundred and fifty dinars are divided equally between the five sheep. This indicates that the term any amount can denote a certain minimal amount.
חמש רחלות גוזזות כל שהן. ואמרינן: וכמה ״כל שהן״? אמר רב: מנה ופרס, ובלבד שיהו מחומשות!
התם, בדין הוא דלא ליתני ״כל שהוא״; ואיידי דקאמר תנא קמא שיעורא רבה, אמר איהו נמי שיעורא זוטרא – קרי לה ״כל שהוא״.
Rav Yosef replies: There, with regard to the first sheared wool, by right the mishna should not have taught the halakha with regard to any amount. But since the first tanna, Rabbi Dosa ben Harkinas, states a large measure, the Rabbis also state that they require a small measure, and therefore they call this measure any amount. But with regard to the gift of a person on his deathbed, the term any amount should be understood literally.
פשיטא – אמר: ״מטלטלי לפלניא״ – כל מאני תשמישתיה קני, לבר מחטי ושערי. ״כל מטלטלי לפלניא״ – אפילו חטי ושערי. ואפילו ריחים העליונה קנה, לבר מריחים התחתונה.
§ It is obvious that if one said: I give my movable property to so-and-so, then that person acquires all of his utensils, excluding his wheat and barley. If one said: I give all my movable property to so-and-so, then that person acquires even the wheat and barley, and he acquires even the upper millstone, since it is occasionally removed from its place. He acquires all the property that is not land or houses, except for the lower millstone, which is never moved. If he said: I give everything that can be moved to so-and-so, that person acquires even the lower millstone, as it is possible to move it.
״כל דמטלטל״ – אפילו ריחים התחתונה קני.
איבעיא להו: עבדא – כמקרקעא או כמטלטלא דמי? אמר ליה רב אחא בריה דרב אויא לרב אשי, תא שמע:
A dilemma was raised before the Sages: Is the legal status of a Canaanite slave like that of land, or is his status like that of movable property? Rav Aḥa, son of Rav Avya, said to Rav Ashi: Come and hear a proof from a mishna (68a): A landowner who sells the city has sold with it the houses, and the ditches and caves, and the bathhouses, and the olive presses and the irrigated fields, but not the movable property. But when the seller said to the buyer: I am selling it and everything that is in it, then even if there were animals or Canaanite slaves in the city, they are all sold. Rav Aḥa, son of Rav Avya, explains the proof: Granted, if you say that the legal status of a Canaanite slave is like that of movable property, due to that reason he is not sold in the first case. But if you say that the legal status of a Canaanite slave is like that of land, why is he not sold with the city?
המוכר את העיר – מכר בתים, שיחין, ומערות, ומרחצאות, ובית הבדין, ובית השלחין; אבל לא את המטלטלין. ובזמן שאמר: ״היא וכל מה שבתוכה״,
אפילו היו בה בהמה או עבדים – הרי כולן מכורין. אי אמרת בשלמא כמטלטלא דמי, משום הכי לא מיזדבן ברישא; אלא אי אמרת כמקרקעא דמי, אמאי לא מיזדבן?
ואלא מאי? כמטלטלא דמי?! מאי ״אפילו״? [אלא] מאי אית לך למימר – שאני מטלטלא דנייד ממטלטלא דלא נייד; אפילו תימא כמקרקעא דמי, שאני מקרקעא דנייד ממקרקעא דלא נייד.
Rav Ashi replied: Rather, what do you say? Do you maintain that his legal status is like that of movable property? If there is no difference in legal status between Canaanite slaves and movable property, what is the reason that the mishna emphasizes in the second case that even the Canaanite slaves are sold? Rather, what have you to say to explain this? One must explain that movable property that moves by itself is different from movable property that does not move by itself, and therefore one might have thought that although the sale includes movable property, Canaanite slaves are not included in the sale. In the same manner, even if you say that the legal status of a Canaanite slave is like that of land, land that moves is different from land that does not move. Therefore, the legal status of Canaanite slaves cannot be proved from this mishna.
אמר ליה רבינא לרב אשי: תא שמע, הכותב לעבדו כל נכסיו – יצא בן חורין. שייר קרקע כל שהוא – לא יצא בן חורין. רבי שמעון אומר:
Ravina said to Rav Ashi: Come and hear a proof from a mishna (Pe’a 3:8): With regard to one who writes, i.e., gives via a document, all of his property to his Canaanite slave, the slave has been emancipated, but if he reserved for himself any amount of land, then he has not been emancipated, as perhaps he reserved the slave for himself as well. Rabbi Shimon says: He always becomes a freeman regardless of the wording of the document, even if the owner reserved land for himself, unless it says in the document: All of my property is given to so-and-so my slave, except for one ten-thousandth of it.
לעולם הוא בן חורין, עד שיאמר: ״כל נכסי נתונין לפלוני עבדי, חוץ מאחד מרבוא שבהן״.
ואמר רב דימי בר יוסף אמר רבי אלעזר: עשו מטלטלין שיור אצל עבד, ולא עשו מטלטלין שיור אצל כתובה. ואמר ליה רבא לרב נחמן: מאי טעמא?
And Rav Dimi bar Yosef says that Rabbi Elazar says: The Sages deemed movable property to be considered a significant reserving of property for oneself with regard to a slave, so that the slave is not emancipated when the owner gives him all of his other property. But they did not deem movable property that one withheld from his sons and earmarked for his wife to be considered a significant reserving of property with regard to her marriage contract. And Rava said to Rav Naḥman: What is the reason for this? Rav Naḥman explained: A Canaanite slave is considered movable property, and reserving movable property is considered a significant reserving with regard to movable property. But a woman’s marriage contract is a document concerning land, since the payment of the marriage contract is collected from land, and reserving movable property is not considered a significant reserving with regard to land. Rav Naḥman states that a Canaanite slave is considered movable property.
עבדא מטלטלא הוא, ומטלטלא למטלטלא הוי שיור; וכתובת אשה מקרקעא הוא, ומטלטלא למקרקעא לא הוי שיור.
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אמר ליה: אנן – משום דלאו כרות גיטא מתנינן לה.
Rav Ashi said to Ravina: The reason the slave is not emancipated if the master reserved part of the property for himself is not that the slave is included in the property that the owner reserved for himself. Rather, we teach this halakha as being due to the fact that the document is not a bill of manumission that completely severs the bond between the slave and the master.
אמר רבא אמר רב נחמן: חמשה עד שיכתבו כל נכסיהם; ואלו הן: שכיב מרע, עבדו, אשתו, ובניו, מברחת.
§ Rava says that Rav Naḥman says: There are five types of gifts to which specific halakhot apply, but the halakhot do not apply until the owners write a deed granting all of their property to another without reserving anything for themselves, and they are as follows: The gift of a person on his deathbed, a gift to one’s Canaanite slave, a gift to one’s wife, a gift to one’s sons, and the gift of a woman who shelters her property from her prospective husband by transferring her property to another before her marriage. In this latter case the Sages instituted that if her husband dies or divorces her she can reclaim the property.
שכיב מרע – דתנן: שכיב מרע שכתב כל נכסיו לאחרים, ושייר קרקע כל שהוא – מתנתו קיימת; לא שייר קרקע כל שהוא – אין מתנתו קיימת.
The Gemara explains each of these cases: In the case of a gift of a person on his deathbed, this is as we learned in the mishna (146b): With regard to a person on his deathbed who wrote a deed granting all of his property to others, and he reserved for himself any amount of land, his gift stands even if he subsequently recovers. If he did not reserve for himself any amount of land, and he recovered, his gift does not stand, as the gift was conditional upon his death, since evidently he did not intend to leave himself without means of support if he survived.
עבדו – דתנן: הכותב כל נכסיו לעבדו – יצא בן חורין, שייר קרקע כל שהוא – לא יצא בן חורין.
In the case of a gift to one’s slave, this is as we learned in a mishna (Pe’a 3:8): With regard to one who writes a deed granting all of his property to his Canaanite slave, the slave has been emancipated, but if he reserved for himself any amount of land, then he has not been emancipated, as perhaps he reserved the slave for himself as well.
אשתו – דאמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל: הכותב כל נכסיו לאשתו – לא עשאה אלא אפטרופא.
In the case of a gift to one’s wife, this is as Rav Yehuda says that Shmuel says: One who writes a deed granting all of his property to his wife renders her only a steward of his property, i.e., he intends only to place her in charge of the property and she does not acquire it. According to Rav Naḥman, this applies only if he did not reserve any part of the property for himself.
בניו – דתנן: הכותב כל נכסיו לבניו, וכתב לאשתו קרקע כל שהוא – אבדה כתובתה.
In the case of a gift to one’s sons, this is as we learned in a mishna (Pe’a 3:7): With regard to one who writes a deed granting all of his property to his sons, and he writes in the deed that he grants any amount of land to his wife, she forfeits payment of her marriage contract. If he reserves any amount of land for himself, his wife does not forfeit payment of her marriage contract.
מברחת – דאמר מר: מברחת צריכה שתכתוב כל נכסיה.
In the case of a gift of a woman who shelters her property from her intended husband, this is as the Master says: In the case of a woman who wishes to shelter her property from her prospective husband, she must write a deed granting all of her property to another. If she reserves for herself any amount of property, she cannot reclaim the property if she is widowed or divorced.
ובכולהו מטלטלי הוי שיור, לבר מכתובה – דאמקרקעי תקינו רבנן, ממטלטלי לא תקון רבנן.
The Gemara concludes: With regard to all of these cases, reserving movable property is considered a significant reserving of property, except with regard to a woman’s marriage contract. If one grants all of his property to his sons except for any amount of land, which he gives to his wife, and he reserves for himself only movable property, his wife forfeits payment of her marriage contract, as nothing remains in the husband’s possession from which she is entitled to collect payment. This is because the Sages instituted that the lien on the marriage contract is placed on land, and the Sages did not institute that the marriage contract can be collected from movable property.
אמימר אמר: מטלטלי דכתיבי בכתובה, ואיתנהו בעינייהו – הוי שיור.
Ameimar said: With regard to movable property that is explicitly written in the marriage contract as property from which the debt may be collected and is still extant, if the husband reserves this property for himself, this is considered a significant reserving of property, and his wife does not forfeit payment of her marriage contract.
אמר ״נכסי לפלניא״ – עבדא איקרי ״נכסי״, דתנן: הכותב כל נכסיו לעבדו – יצא בן חורין. ארעא איקרי ״נכסי״, דתנן: נכסים שיש להן אחריות, נקנין בכסף ובשטר ובחזקה.
§ If one said: My property shall go to so-and-so, anything that is referred to as property is included in the gift. A Canaanite slave is called property, as we learned in a mishna (Pe’a 3:8): With regard to one who writes, i.e., gives via a document, all of his property to his Canaanite slave, the slave has been emancipated. Land is called property, as we learned in a mishna (Kiddushin 26a): Property that serves as a guarantee, i.e., land, can be acquired by means of money, by means of a deed, or by taking possession of it. A cloak, as well as other garments and movable property, is called property, as we learned in that same mishna: And property that does not serve as a guarantee, i.e., movable property, can be acquired only by pulling.
גלימא איקרי ״נכסי״, דתנן: ושאין להן אחריות – אין נקנין אלא במשיכה.
זוזי איקרי ״נכסי״, דתנן: ושאין להן אחריות נקנין עם נכסים שיש להן אחריות – בכסף ובשטר ובחזקה. כי הא דרב פפא הוו ליה תריסר אלפי זוזי בי חוזאי,
Money [zuzei] is called property, as we learned in that same mishna: And property that does not serve as a guarantee can be acquired together with property that serves as a guarantee by means of money, by means of a deed, or by taking possession of it. Money is among the types of property that can be acquired by means of the acquisition of land, as is evident from this incident involving Rav Pappa, who had twelve thousand dinars loaned to the people of Bei Ḥozai. Rav Pappa transferred ownership of the money to Rav Shmuel bar Aḥa, who was traveling to Bei Ḥozai, by means of transferring ownership of the threshold of his house, so that Rav Shmuel bar Aḥa could collect the money. When Rav Shmuel bar Aḥa came back with the money, Rav Pappa was so pleased that he went out as far as Tavakh to meet him.
אקנינהו ניהליה לרב שמואל בר אחא אגב אסיפא דביתיה. כי אתא, נפק לאפיה עד ״תווך״.
שטרא איקרי ״נכסי״, דאמר רבה בר יצחק: שני שטרות הן; אמר ״זכו בשדה זה לפלוני, וכתבו לו את השטר״ – חוזר בשטר, ואינו חוזר בשדה.
A deed is called property, as Rabba bar Yitzḥak says: There are two types of deeds with regard to the acquisition of land. If one said to the witnesses: Acquire this field on behalf of so-and-so and write the deed for him as proof of the sale, the giver can retract the deed but he cannot retract the transfer of ownership of the field once the other party has taken possession of it. If one said: Acquire this field on behalf of so-and-so on the condition that you write the deed for him, the giver can retract both the deed and the transfer of the field, as he stipulated that the acquisition of the field is dependent on the writing of the deed.
״על מנת שתכתבו לו את השטר״ – חוזר בין בשטר בין בשדה.
ורב חייא בר אבין אמר רב הונא: שלשה שטרות הן; תרי – הני דאמרן, אידך – אם קדם מוכר וכתב את השטר, כאותה ששנינו:
And Rav Ḥiyya bar Avin says that Rav Huna says: There are three types of deeds. Two are those that we stated above, and the other is as follows: If the seller wrote the deed in advance and kept it until the buyer would come and pay him. The Gemara adds parenthetically: This is like that halakha that we learned in a mishna (167b):