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Yoma 63דף יומי שיעור אויף אידיש · יומא דף סג
Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Yoma daf 63 (מסכת יומא דף סג), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.
שחטן בחוץ קודם שנפתחו דלתות ההיכל — פטור. מאי טעמא: מחוסר פתיחה כמחוסר מעשה דמי. ומי אית ליה לרב חסדא ״הואיל״? והאמר רב חסדא: פסח ששחטו בחוץ בשאר ימות השנה,…
The same discussion elsewhere in Shas
- חולין ל. · Chullin 30a
- נדה לז: · Niddah 37b
- פסחים סד. · Pesachim 64a
- תמורה ו: · Temurah 6b
- תמורה יג. · Temurah 13a
- זבחים ד: · Zevachim 4b
- זבחים לד: · Zevachim 34b
- זבחים עד. · Zevachim 74a
- זבחים קט. · Zevachim 109a
- זבחים קיב. · Zevachim 112a
- זבחים קיג: · Zevachim 113b
- זבחים קיד. · Zevachim 114a
- זבחים קטו. · Zevachim 115a
Yoma 63: the daf with times in the shiur
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שחטן בחוץ קודם שנפתחו דלתות ההיכל — פטור. מאי טעמא: מחוסר פתיחה כמחוסר מעשה דמי.
Based on Rav Ḥisda’s statement, if he slaughtered them outside the Temple before the doors of the Sanctuary were opened he is exempt. What is the reason? Lacking the opening of the doors is comparable to lacking an action. Therefore, the offering was not yet fit to be sacrificed in the Temple, and when he slaughtered it outside, despite doing so with the intention that it is a sacrificial offering, he is not considered to have violated the prohibition against sacrificing an offering outside the Temple.
ומי אית ליה לרב חסדא ״הואיל״?
Rav Ḥisda stated above that since the Yom Kippur goats could be used for the additional offerings, one is liable for slaughtering them outside the Temple. The Gemara asks: Does Rav Ḥisda accept the principle: Since a particular situation could come to be in the future, it is viewed as though it existed already in the present?
והאמר רב חסדא: פסח ששחטו בחוץ בשאר ימות השנה, לשמו — פטור, שלא לשמו — חייב.
And didn’t Rav Ḥisda say: If one slaughtered a Paschal lamb outside the Temple during the rest of the days of the year other than Passover eve, if he slaughtered it for its own sake, i.e., as a Paschal lamb, he is exempt, since at that time it is not fit to be sacrificed as a Paschal lamb. If he sacrificed it not for its own sake but rather as a peace-offering, he is liable. A Paschal lamb that is slaughtered as a peace-offering on any day of the year other than Passover eve is considered a valid peace-offering. Therefore, it has the status of an offering that is fit to be sacrificed in the Temple, and he is liable for slaughtering it outside the Temple.
טעמא דשלא לשמו, הא סתמא, לשמו הוא ופטור. ואמאי? לימא: הואיל וראוי שלא לשמו בפנים!
The Gemara comments: The reason he is liable is because he specifically slaughtered it not for its own sake. However, if he slaughtered it without specifying what offering he had in mind, it is considered to have been slaughtered for its own sake and he is exempt. But why is he exempt? Let us say: Since it is fit to be sacrificed within the Temple not for its own sake, i.e., as a peace-offering, it should be considered as though he slaughtered it as a peace-offering outside the Temple, and he should be liable.
הכי השתא?! התם בעי עקירה, האי לא בעי עקירה.
The Gemara responds: How can these cases be compared? There, with regard to the Paschal lamb, it requires explicit uprooting from the status of a Paschal lamb in order to be considered a peace-offering. Therefore, if he did not specify his intent, it is still considered a Paschal lamb, which is not fit to be sacrificed. These Yom Kippur goats do not require uprooting from their previous status. The Yom Kippur goats have the status of a sin-offering and the goats sacrificed as part of the additional offerings of the day are also considered sin-offerings. Therefore, one who slaughters them outside the Temple is liable, as they are fit to be sacrificed at that time as sin-offerings, even without the principle: Since, etc.
רבה בר שימי מתני להו בדרבה, וקשיא ליה דרבה אדרבה. ומשני כדשנינן.
Rabba bar Shimi taught these two halakhot, cited above in the name of Rav Ḥisda, in the name of Rabba, and he found a difficulty between one statement of Rabba and another statement of Rabba. And he resolved the apparent contradiction as we resolved it.
כי אתא רב דימי, אמר רבי ירמיה אמר רבי יוחנן: פסח ששחטו בחוץ בשאר ימות השנה, בין לשמו בין שלא לשמו — פטור.
§ When Rav Dimi came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia, he said that Rabbi Yirmeya said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: If one slaughtered a Paschal lamb outside the Temple during the rest of the days of the year, whether he slaughtered it for its own sake, as a Paschal lamb, or not for its own sake, as a peace-offering, he is exempt.
אמר רב דימי: אמריתה לשמעתא קמיה דרבי ירמיה בשלמא לשמו, דהא לא חזי ליה. אלא שלא לשמו, אמאי? הא חזי שלא לשמו בפנים?
Rav Dimi said: I said this halakha before Rabbi Yirmeya and asked him: Granted, when he slaughters it outside the Temple for its own sake he is exempt, because it is not fit to be brought as a Paschal lamb at that time, and one is liable for slaughtering an offering outside the Temple only if it was fit to be sacrificed in the Temple. However, if he slaughters it not for its own sake, why is he exempt? Isn’t it fit to be sacrificed not for its own sake as a peace-offering inside the Temple?
ואמר לי: עקירת חוץ לאו שמה עקירה.
And Rabbi Yirmeya said to me in response: Uprooting an offering’s designation outside the Temple is not called uprooting. Since he slaughtered it outside, the status of the offering does not change from that of a Paschal lamb to that of a peace-offering, despite his intention to this effect.
כי אתא רבין, אמר רבי ירמיה אמר רבי יוחנן: פסח ששחטו בחוץ בשאר ימות השנה, בין לשמו בין שלא לשמו — חייב.
When Ravin came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia, he said a different version of the statement that Rabbi Yirmeya said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: If one slaughtered a Paschal lamb outside the Temple during the rest of the days of the year, whether he slaughtered it for its own sake or not for its own sake, he is liable.
ואפילו לשמו? והתנן: מחוסר זמן — בין בגופו, בין בבעלים.
The Gemara expresses surprise: Is he liable even if he slaughtered it for its own sake? Didn’t we learn in a mishna in tractate Zevaḥim that one is exempt for sacrificing an offering that was not yet fit for sacrifice because it was lacking time? This is so whether it itself was lacking time, such as if it was less than eight days old, or it was lacking time due to its owners.
ואיזהו מחוסר זמן בבעלים — הזב והזבה והיולדת והמצורע
The Gemara explains: And what is an offering that is lacking time due to its owners? A zav, a zava, a woman after childbirth, and a leper, who sacrificed their offerings before the appropriate time. A zav, a zava, and a leper bring their offerings after counting seven days; a woman after childbirth brings hers when her purification period is complete.
שהקריבו חטאתם ואשמם בחוץ — פטורין. עולותיהן ושלמיהן בחוץ — חייבין.
Any of these people who sacrificed their sin-offering and, in the case of lepers, their guilt-offering outside the Temple are exempt. Since they would not fulfill their obligations to bring these offerings if they would sacrifice them in the Temple, and the offerings are unfit to be brought as voluntary offerings, because sin-offerings and guilt-offerings are not brought as voluntary offerings, one who slaughters them outside the Temple is not liable. However, if they sacrifice their burnt-offerings and peace-offerings outside the Temple, they are liable. This is because these offerings could be valid as voluntary offerings if they were sacrificed in the Temple.
ואמר רב חלקיה בר טובי: לא שנו אלא לשמו, אבל שלא לשמו — חייב.
And Rav Ḥilkiya bar Tovi said: They only taught that one is exempt for the guilt-offering when it is slaughtered for its own sake, but if it is slaughtered not for its own sake, he is liable, because a guilt-offering slaughtered in the Temple not for its own sake is valid.
לשמו מיהא פטור, אמאי? נימא: הואיל וראוין שלא לשמו בפנים! הכי השתא?! התם בעי עקירה, הכא פסח בשאר ימות השנה — שלמים נינהו.
The Gemara considers this: If he slaughtered it for its own sake, in any event he is exempt. Why? Let us say: Since they are fit to be sacrificed inside the Temple not for their own sake, he should be liable for sacrificing them outside. The Gemara responds: How can these cases be compared? There, the guilt-offering requires explicit uprooting of its designation in order to be valid. Here, a Paschal lamb during the rest of the days of the year is considered a peace-offering, even if its status is not explicitly uprooted.
רב אשי מתני: חייב, כדאמרינן. רב ירמיה מדפתי מתני: פטור. קסבר: פסח בשאר ימות השנה בעי עקירה, ועקירת חוץ לאו שמה עקירה. ופליגא דרב חלקיה בר טובי.
The Gemara continues to discuss the case of a Paschal lamb that was slaughtered outside the Temple during the rest of the year, and not for its own sake. Rav Ashi taught: He is liable, as we stated. Rav Yirmeya of Difti taught: He is exempt. Rav Yirmeya held that a Paschal lamb during the rest of the days of the year requires uprooting of its previous designation, and uprooting an offering’s designation outside the Temple is not called uprooting. And this halakha disagrees with the statement of Rav Ḥilkiya bar Tovi, who held that uprooting an offering’s designation outside the Temple is considered an effective uprooting of that designation.
אמר מר: משהגריל עליהן חייב על של שם, ופטור על של עזאזל.
§ The Master said: If he slaughtered the two Yom Kippur goats outside the Temple after he drew lots to determine which of them is to be sacrificed to God and which is sent to Azazel, he is liable for slaughtering the one designated for God, and exempt for the one designated to be sent to Azazel.
תנו רבנן: ״איש איש מבית ישראל אשר ישחט שור או כשב או עז במחנה או אשר ישחט מחוץ למחנה. ואל פתח אהל מועד לא הביאו להקריב קרבן לה׳״.
The Sages taught in a baraita based upon the verses: “Any man of the house of Israel who shall slaughter a bull, or a lamb, or a goat in the camp, or who slaughters it outside the camp, and has not brought it to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting to present it as an offering to the Lord before the tabernacle of the Lord, blood shall be imputed to that man; he has shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people” (Leviticus 17:3–4).
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אי ״קרבן״, שומע אני אפילו קדשי בדק הבית, שנקראו קרבן, כענין שנאמר: ״ונקרב את קרבן ה׳״, תלמוד לומר: ״ואל פתח אהל מועד לא הביאו״.
If it would have mentioned just the word offering, I would derive that one is liable even for slaughtering animals consecrated for Temple maintenance outside the Temple, which are also called offering, as it is stated: “And we have brought the Lord’s offering, what every man has found: Articles of gold, armlets, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and pendants” (Numbers 31:50). Therefore, the verse states: “And has not brought it to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting” (Leviticus 17:4), to teach that with regard to any animal fit to be sacrificed within the entrance to the Tent of Meeting or the Temple, one is liable for slaughtering it outside the Temple. Conversely, with regard to any animal that is not fit to be sacrificed within the entrance to the Tent of Meeting, one is not liable for slaughtering it outside the Temple.
כל הראוי לפתח אהל מועד — חייב עליו בחוץ, כל שאינו ראוי לפתח אהל מועד — אין חייבין עליו בחוץ.
אוציא אלו שאין ראוין לפתח אהל מועד, ולא אוציא פרת חטאת ושעיר המשתלח שהוא ראוי לבוא אל פתח אהל מועד, תלמוד לומר: ״לה׳״, מי שמיוחדין לה׳,
Furthermore: I might exclude these animals consecrated for Temple maintenance, which are not fit to be sacrificed within the entrance to the Tent of Meeting because they are blemished, and I will not exclude the heifer of a purification offering and the scapegoat, which are fit to come to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. Therefore, the verse states “to the Lord” to indicate that one is liable only for those animals that are designated exclusively for God as offerings. These, the heifer of a purification offering and the scapegoat, are excluded, as they are not designated exclusively for God as sacrificial offerings but are used for some other purpose.
יצאו אלו שאין מיוחדין לשם.
ו״לה׳״ להוציא הוא? ורמינהו: ״ירצה לקרבן אשה לה׳״, אלו אישים,
The Gemara asks about this halakhic midrash: Does the expression “to the Lord” come to exclude? The Gemara raises a contradiction based upon the verse: “When a bull, or a lamb, or a goat, is born it shall be seven days under its mother; but from the eighth day on it may be accepted as an offering by fire to the Lord” (Leviticus 22:27). An offering by fire to the Lord: These are offerings by fire, which are sacrificed on the altar and which may not be sacrificed before their proper time.
מנין שלא יקדישנו מחוסר זמן — תלמוד לומר: ״קרבן״, ״לה׳״ — לרבות שעיר המשתלח!
From where do we derive that he may not consecrate an animal when it is lacking time, i.e., before the eighth day? The verse states: An offering, which indicates that it should not be designated as an offering before the eighth day. The expression: To the Lord comes to include the scapegoat, which is also brought for the sake of God. In other words, the expression: To the Lord, not only does not exclude the scapegoat from the category of offerings, but specifically includes it in this category.
אמר רבא: התם מענינא דקרא והכא מענינא דקרא. התם ד״אל פתח״ לרבות — ״לה׳״ להוציא. הכא ד״אשה״ להוציא — ״לה׳״ לרבות.
Rava said that this can be resolved as follows: There the expression is understood in the context of the verse and here it is understood in the context of the verse. There, with regard to consecrated animals slaughtered outside the Temple, where the phrase: To the entrance, in that same verse comes to include other offerings, the phrase: To the Lord necessarily comes to exclude. Conversely, here, with regard to consecrating animals before the proper time, where the phrase: Offering by fire comes to exclude, the phrase: To the Lord comes to include.
טעמא דרבי רחמנא, הא לא רבי, הוה אמינא: שעיר המשתלח קדוש במחוסר זמן. והא אין הגורל קובע אלא בראוי לשם!
Once the contradiction has been reconciled, the Gemara challenges the reasoning of the argument. The reason the scapegoat may not be consecrated before it is eight days old is because the Merciful One specifically included it among the other offerings. But had it not included it I would have said: The scapegoat may be consecrated even when it is lacking time. However, this is difficult: Isn’t it true that the lottery establishes as the goat that is sacrificed to God, only one that is fit to be sacrificed to God? Since it is not known in advance which goat will be designated for this purpose, both goats must be eight days old and thereby fit to be sacrificed to God.
אמר רב יוסף: הא מני, חנן המצרי היא, דתניא: חנן המצרי אומר: אפילו דם בכוס — מביא חבירו ומזווג לו.
Rav Yosef said: In accordance with whose opinion is this baraita? It is the opinion of Ḥanan the Egyptian, as it was taught in a baraita that Ḥanan the Egyptian says: Even if the goat sacrificed to God has already been slaughtered and its blood has been collected in the cup, if the scapegoat dies, he brings another goat as a counterpart and pairs it with the goat that has already been slaughtered. Since in this case the priest need not draw new lots and the second goat is immediately designated to be sent to Azazel, it was necessary to teach that this goat must not be lacking time.
אימר דשמעת ליה לחנן המצרי דלית ליה דחויין, דלית ליה הגרלה מי שמעת ליה? דילמא מייתי ומגריל.
The Gemara presents a challenge with regard to this answer. Say that you heard Ḥanan the Egyptian say that he does not hold that if the scapegoat dies, the blood of the other goat is rejected. Did you also hear him say that he does not require a new lottery for the second goat? Perhaps he meant that one brings two new goats and draws lots, and whichever is designated to be sent to Azazel is the counterpart to the goat that was already slaughtered.
אלא אמר רב יוסף: הא מני, רבי שמעון היא. דתניא: מת אחד מהן — מביא חבירו שלא בהגרלה, דברי רבי שמעון.
The Gemara presents another explanation of why it was necessary for the Torah to indicate that the scapegoat must not be lacking time. Rather, Rav Yosef said: In accordance with whose opinion is this? It is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon, as it was taught in a baraita: If one of the goats dies, he brings another goat in its place without a lottery; this is the statement of Rabbi Shimon. Therefore, if the scapegoat would die, another goat would be designated as the scapegoat without a lottery, and it was necessary for the Torah to indicate that this goat had to be eight days old.
רבינא אמר, כגון שהומם וחיללו על אחר.
Ravina said that it is possible to answer according to all opinions. The derivation was necessary in a case where the scapegoat became blemished after the lottery and they redeemed it with another. In that situation, all agree that the new scapegoat does not need to be designated through a lottery, because the status of the original scapegoat was transferred to its replacement.
ומנא תימרא דפסיל ביה מומא! דתניא: ״ואשה לא תתנו מהם״, אלו החלבים.
The Gemara asks: From where do you say that the scapegoat is disqualified by a blemish? A blemish disqualifies only a sacrificial offering, and the scapegoat is not a sacrificial offering. The Gemara answers: As it was taught in a baraita based upon the verse: “Blind, or broken, or maimed, or having a growth, or scurvy, or scabbed, you shall not offer these to the Lord, nor make an offering by fire of them upon the altar to the Lord” (Leviticus 22:22). The phrase: Nor make an offering by fire of them; these are the fats of blemished animals, which may not be sacrificed on the altar.
אין לי אלא כולן, מקצתן מנין? תלמוד לומר: ״מהם״. ״מזבח״, זו זריקת דמים. ״לה׳״, לרבות שעיר המשתלח.
I have only derived that it is prohibited to sacrifice all the fats of a blemished animal; from where do I derive that it is prohibited to sacrifice some of them? The verse states “of them,” which indicates that the prohibition applies even to some of them. “The altar”; this is referring to the prohibition against sprinkling the blood of blemished animals. The phrase “to the Lord” comes to include the scapegoat, which is also disqualified by a blemish.
ואיצטריך למיכתב בעל מום, ואיצטריך למיכתב מחוסר זמן. דאי כתב רחמנא מחוסר זמן — משום דלא מטי זמניה, אבל בעל מום דמטי זמניה — אימא לא.
The Gemara comments: And it is necessary to write that a blemished scapegoat is disqualified and it is necessary to write that a scapegoat may not be lacking time. Since if the Merciful One had written only that a scapegoat is disqualified if it is lacking time, one might have said that this is because its time has not yet come and therefore it is unable to become consecrated. However, with regard to a blemished animal whose time has already arrived, say that it is not disqualified. And conversely, if the Merciful One had written only that a blemished scapegoat is disqualified, one might have said that this is because it is considered abhorrent to sacrifice a blemished animal as an offering. However, with regard to a goat that is lacking time, which is not abhorrent, say that it is not disqualified. It is therefore necessary for the Torah to include the scapegoat in both disqualifications.
ואי כתב רחמנא בעל מום — משום דמאיס, אבל מחוסר זמן דלא מאיס — אימא לא, צריכא.