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Succah 49

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Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Succah daf 49 (מסכת סוכה דף מט), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.

שכל מזבח שאין לו לא כבש ולא קרן ולא יסוד ולא ריבוע — פסול לעבודה. רבי יוסי בר יהודה אומר: אף הסובב. אמר רבה בר בר חנה אמר רבי יוחנן:…

The same discussion elsewhere in Shas

Succah 49: the daf with times in the shiur

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שכל מזבח שאין לו לא כבש ולא קרן ולא יסוד ולא ריבוע — פסול לעבודה. רבי יוסי בר יהודה אומר: אף הסובב.

As any altar that lacks a ramp, or a horn, or a base, or the shape of a square, either because it was not erected as a square or due to damage, is disqualified for use in the Temple service. Rabbi Yosei bar Yehuda says: Even the surrounding ledge must be complete, and if it is lacking it disqualifies the altar.

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אמר רבה בר בר חנה אמר רבי יוחנן: שיתין, מששת ימי בראשית נבראו, שנאמר: ״חמוקי ירכיך כמו חלאים מעשה ידי אמן״. ״חמוקי ירכיך״ — אלו השיתין.

§ Rabba bar bar Ḥana said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: The drainpipes [shittin] built into the altar and extending beneath it were created from the six days of Creation, as it is stated: “The hidden of your thighs are like the links of a chain, the handiwork of a skilled workman” (Song of Songs 7:2). The Gemara interprets the verse homiletically: “The hidden of your thighs”; these are the drainpipes that are concealed within the altar; “are like the links of a chain [ḥala’im]”; they are hollow [meḥolalin] and descend to the depths; “the handiwork of a skilled workman”; this is the handiwork of the Holy One, Blessed be He. On a similar note, it was taught in the school of Rabbi Yishmael that it is written: “In the beginning [bereshit]” (Genesis 1:1); do not read it as: Bereshit, but rather as: Bara shit, meaning that God created the pipeline descending from the altar.

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״כמו חלאים״ — שמחוללין ויורדין עד התהום. ״מעשה ידי אמן״ — זו מעשה ידי אומנותו של הקדוש ברוך הוא. תנא דבי רבי ישמעאל: ״בראשית״, אל תיקרי ״בראשית״,

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אלא ״ברא שית״.

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תניא, רבי יוסי אומר: שיתין מחוללין ויורדין עד תהום, שנאמר: ״אשירה נא לידידי שירת דודי לכרמו כרם היה לידידי בקרן בן שמן.

It was taught in a baraita that Rabbi Yosei says: These drainpipes are hollow and descend to the depths, as it is stated: “Let me sing of my well beloved, a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My well beloved had a vineyard in a very fruitful hill, and he dug it, and cleared it of stones, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also hewed out a vat therein” (Isaiah 5:1–2). Rabbi Yosei interprets these verses homiletically as referring to the Temple. “He planted it with the choicest vine”; this is referring to the Temple; “he built a tower therein”; this is referring to the altar; “and hewed out a vat therein”; this is referring to the drainpipes. As the owner of the vineyard is a parable for God, this indicates that the drainpipes are a natural part of Creation.

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ויעזקהו ויסקלהו ויטעהו שורק ויבן מגדל בתוכו וגם יקב חצב בו״. ״ויטעהו שורק״ — זה בית המקדש, ״ויבן מגדל בתוכו״ — זה מזבח,

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״וגם יקב חצב בו״ — אלו השיתין.

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תניא, אמר רבי אלעזר בר צדוק: לול קטן היה בין כבש למזבח במערבו של כבש, ואחת לשבעים שנה פרחי כהונה יורדין לשם,

It was taught in a baraita that Rabbi Elazar bar Tzadok said: There was a small gap between the ramp and the altar west of the ramp, and once in seventy years young priests would descend there and gather from there the congealed wine left over from the libations that set over time, which resembled round cakes of dried and pressed figs. They would then come and burn it in sanctity in the Temple courtyard, as it is stated: “In sanctity shall you pour a libation of strong drink unto the Lord” (Numbers 28:7);

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ומלקטין משם יין קרוש שדומה לעיגולי דבילה, ובאין ושורפין אותו בקדושה, שנאמר: ״בקדש הסך נסך שכר לה׳״ —

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כשם שניסוכו בקדושה, כך שריפתו בקדושה. מאי משמע? אמר רבינא: אתיא ״קדש״ ״קדש״. כתיב הכא: ״בקדש הסך נסך״, וכתיב התם:

just as its pouring is in sanctity, so too must its burning be in sanctity. From where may it be inferred that this is referring to burning? Ravina said: It is derived by means of a verbal analogy between the term sanctity written with regard to libations and sanctity written with regard to leftover offerings. It is written here, with regard to libations: “In sanctity shall you pour a libation” (Numbers 28:7), and it is written there, with regard to leftover offerings: “You shall burn the leftovers in fire; they are not to be eaten, for they are sanctity” (Exodus 29:34). Through the verbal analogy it is derived that leftover libations must also be burned.

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״ושרפת את הנותר באש לא יאכל כי קדש הוא״.

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כמאן אזלא הא (דתניא): נסכים, בתחילה מועלין בהן. ירדו לשיתין — אין מועלין בהן. לימא רבי אלעזר בר צדוק היא, דאי רבנן, הא נחתו להו לתהום!

The Gemara notes: In accordance with whose opinion is that which is taught in this mishna? With regard to libations, initially, prior to being poured, one can misuse consecrated property with them, as is the case with all consecrated items. However, once they descended to the drainpipes, one does not violate the prohibition against misuse of consecrated property with them, because the mitzva was already fulfilled. Let us say that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar bar Tzadok, who holds that the libations did not descend to the depths but would collect between the ramp and the altar and would be collected once every seventy years. As, if it were in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, how could the libations be misused? Didn’t they already descend to the depths through the drainpipes?

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אפילו תימא רבנן, בדאיקלט.

The Gemara rejects this: Even if you say that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, it could be referring to a case where some of the wine landed outside the drainpipes and was collected in the space between the ramp and the altar.

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ואיכא דאמרי: לימא רבנן היא, ולא רבי אלעזר בר צדוק? דאי רבי אלעזר, אכתי בקדושתייהו קיימי! אפילו תימא רבי אלעזר, אין לך דבר שנעשה מצותו ומועלין בו.

And some say a different version of this exchange. Let us say that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis and not in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar bar Tzadok. As, if it were in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar, then the wine that collected between the ramp and the altar remains in its sanctity, as it must be burned, and the prohibition against misuse would still apply. The Gemara rejects this: Even if you say that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar, there is no item whose mitzva has been performed with which one can violate the prohibition against misuse of consecrated property. Reish Lakish said: When they pour wine onto the altar, they plug the top of the drainpipes so that the wine does not descend to the depths, in order to fulfill that which is stated: “In sanctity shall you pour a libation of strong drink [shekhar] unto the Lord” (Numbers 28:7).

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אמר ריש לקיש: בזמן שמנסכין יין על גבי מזבח, פוקקין את השיתין. לקיים מה שנאמר: ״בקדש הסך נסך שכר לה׳״.

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מאי משמע? אמר רב פפא: ״שכר״ — לשון שתיה, לשון שביעה, לשון שכרות. אמר רב פפא: שמע מינה כי שבע איניש חמרא — מגרוניה שבע. אמר רבא:

The Gemara asks: From where may it be inferred that this is referring to plugging the drainpipes? Rav Pappa said: Shekhar is an expression of drinking, of satiation, of intoxication. In order to underscore all three aspects of the libations, the space between the altar and the ramp would fill with wine. Rav Pappa said: Conclude from this that when a person is satiated from drinking wine, it is from his throat being filled with wine that he is satiated. Unlike food, wine does not satiate a person when it fills his stomach. Rava said: Therefore, let a young Torah scholar, who does not have much wine, swallow his wine in large swigs, filling his throat each time, as he will thereby maximize his enjoyment. And Rava himself, when drinking a cup of blessing, would swallow large swigs so as to drink the wine accompanying the mitzva in an optimal manner.

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צורבא מרבנן דלא נפישא ליה חמרא, ליגמע גמועי. רבא אכסא דברכתא אגמע גמועי.

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דרש רבא, מאי דכתיב: ״מה יפו פעמיך בנעלים בת נדיב״ — מה יפו פעמותיהן של ישראל בשעה שעולין לרגל.

§ Apropos the homiletic interpretations of the verses from Song of Songs with regard to the drainpipes, the Gemara cites additional interpretations. Rava taught: What is the meaning of that which is written: “How beautiful are your steps in sandals, O prince’s daughter” (Song of Songs 7:2)? How beautiful are the feet of the Jewish people at the time when they ascend to Jerusalem for the Festival. “O prince’s daughter”; this is referring to the daughter of Abraham our Patriarch, who was called prince, as it is stated: “The princes of the peoples are gathered, the people of the God of Abraham” (Psalms 47:10). The verse calls the Jewish people the people of the God of Abraham and not the God of Isaac and Jacob. Why are the Jewish people associated specifically with Abraham? Rather than referring to the three Patriarchs, the verse is referring to the God of Abraham, who was first of the converts, and therefore it is reasonable for the princes of other nations to gather around him.

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״בת נדיב״ — בתו של אברהם אבינו שנקרא נדיב, שנאמר: ״נדיבי עמים נאספו עם אלהי אברהם״. ״אלהי אברהם״, ולא אלהי יצחק ויעקב?! אלא: ״אלהי אברהם״, שהיה תחילה לגרים.

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תנא דבי רב ענן, מאי דכתיב: ״חמוקי ירכיך״ — למה נמשלו דברי תורה כירך? לומר לך: מה ירך בסתר, אף דברי תורה בסתר.

In the school of Rav Anan it was taught: What is the meaning of that which is written: “The hidden of your thighs” (Song of Songs 7:2)? Why are matters of Torah likened to a thigh? It is to tell you that just as the thigh is always concealed, covered by clothes, so too, matters of Torah are optimal when recited in private and not in public.

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והיינו דאמר רבי אלעזר, מאי דכתיב: ״הגיד לך אדם מה טוב ומה ה׳ דורש ממך כי אם עשות משפט ואהבת חסד והצנע לכת עם אלהיך״.

And this is what Rabbi Elazar said: What is the meaning of that which is written: “It has been told you, O man, what is good, and what the Lord does require of you; only to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8)? “To do justly”; this is justice. “To love mercy”; this is acts of kindness. “To walk humbly with your God”; this is referring to taking the indigent dead out for burial and accompanying a poor bride to her wedding canopy, both of which must be performed without fanfare. The Gemara summarizes: And are these matters not inferred a fortiori? If, with regard to matters that tend to be conducted in public, as the multitudes participate in funerals and weddings, the Torah says: Walk humbly, then in matters that tend to be conducted in private, e.g., giving charity and studying Torah, all the more so should they be conducted privately.

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״עשות משפט״ — זה הדין, ״ואהבת חסד״ — זו גמילות חסדים, ״והצנע לכת עם אלהיך״ — זו הוצאת המת והכנסת כלה לחופה. והלא דברים קל וחומר:

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ומה דברים שדרכן לעשותן בפרהסיא, אמרה תורה ״הצנע לכת״, דברים שדרכן לעשותן בצנעא — על אחת כמה וכמה.

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אמר רבי אלעזר: גדול העושה צדקה יותר מכל הקרבנות, שנאמר: ״עשה צדקה ומשפט נבחר לה׳ מזבח״. ואמר רבי אלעזר: גדולה גמילות חסדים יותר מן הצדקה, שנאמר:

§ Rabbi Elazar said: One who performs acts of charity is greater than one who sacrifices all types of offerings, as it is stated: “To perform charity and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than an offering” (Proverbs 21:3), including all types of offerings. And Rabbi Elazar said: Acts of kindness, assisting someone in need, are greater than charity, as it is stated: “Sow to yourselves according to charity, and reap according to kindness” (Hosea 10:12). This means: If a person sows, it is uncertain whether he will eat or whether he will not eat, since much can go wrong before the seed becomes food. However, if a person reaps, he certainly eats. In this verse, charity is likened to sowing, while acts of kindness are likened to reaping.

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״זרעו לכם לצדקה וקצרו לפי חסד״. אם אדם זורע — ספק אוכל ספק אינו אוכל, אדם קוצר — ודאי אוכל.

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ואמר רבי אלעזר: אין צדקה משתלמת אלא לפי חסד שבה, שנאמר: ״זרעו לכם לצדקה וקצרו לפי חסד״.

And Rabbi Elazar said: The reward for charity is paid from Heaven only in accordance with the kindness and generosity included therein and in accordance with the effort and the consideration that went into the giving. It is not merely in accordance with the sum of money, as it is stated: “Sow to yourselves according to charity, and reap according to kindness.”

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תנו רבנן: בשלשה דברים גדולה גמילות חסדים יותר מן הצדקה. צדקה — בממונו; גמילות חסדים — בין בגופו, בין בממונו. צדקה — לעניים; גמילות חסדים — בין

The Sages taught that acts of kindness are superior to charity in three respects: Charity can be performed only with one’s money, while acts of kindness can be performed both with his person and with his money. Charity is given to the poor, while acts of kindness are performed both for the poor and for the rich. Charity is given to the living, while acts of kindness are performed both for the living and for the dead.

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לעניים בין לעשירים. צדקה — לחיים; גמילות חסדים — בין לחיים בין למתים.

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ואמר רבי אלעזר: כל העושה צדקה ומשפט, כאילו מילא כל העולם כולו חסד. שנאמר: ״אוהב צדקה ומשפט חסד ה׳ מלאה הארץ״.

And Rabbi Elazar said: Anyone who performs charity and justice is considered as though he filled the whole world in its entirety with kindness, as it is stated: “He loves charity and justice; the earth is full of the kindness of the Lord” (Psalms 33:5). Lest you say that anyone who comes to leap and perform an act of kindness may simply leap and do so without scrutiny, the verse states: “How precious is your kindness, O God” (Psalms 36:8). It is a precious and rare occurrence to perform an act of kindness properly. One might have thought that even a God-fearing individual does not always encounter the opportunity to perform acts of kindness. Therefore, the verse states: “But the kindness of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear Him” (Psalms 103:17).

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שמא תאמר כל הבא לקפוץ קופץ, תלמוד לומר: ״מה יקר חסדך אלהים (חסד ה׳ מלאה הארץ) וגו׳״. יכול אף ירא שמים כן — תלמוד לומר:

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״וחסד ה׳ מעולם ועד עולם על יראיו״.

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אמר רבי חמא בר פפא: כל אדם שיש עליו חן, בידוע שהוא ירא שמים, שנאמר: ״חסד ה׳ מעולם ועד עולם על יראיו״. ואמר רבי אלעזר, מאי דכתיב:

Rabbi Ḥama bar Pappa said: With regard to any person who has grace about him, it is certain that he is God-fearing, as it is stated: “But the kindness of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear Him.” When one sees that a certain individual is endowed with grace and kindness, one can be certain that he is a God-fearing person. And Rabbi Elazar said: What is the meaning of that which is written: “She opens her mouth with wisdom, and a Torah of kindness is on her tongue” (Proverbs 31:26)? The Gemara asks: Is there, then, a Torah of kindness and a Torah that is not of kindness? Rather, it is Torah studied for its own sake that is a Torah of kindness, as one studies it wholeheartedly; and it is Torah studied not for its own sake but for some ulterior motive that is a Torah that is not of kindness. Some say that it is Torah studied in order to teach it to others that is a Torah of kindness; it is Torah studied with the intent of not teaching it to others that is a Torah that is not of kindness.

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״פיה פתחה בחכמה ותורת חסד על לשונה״, וכי יש תורה של חסד ויש תורה שאינה של חסד? אלא: תורה לשמה — זו היא תורה של חסד,

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שלא לשמה — זו היא תורה שאינה של חסד. איכא דאמרי: תורה ללמדה — זו היא תורה של חסד, שלא ללמדה — זו היא תורה שאינה של חסד.

▶ 27:05

כמעשהו בחול כו׳. ואמאי? נייתי במקודשת! אמר זעירי: קסבר אין שיעור למים, וכלי שרת מקדשין שלא מדעת.

§ The mishna continues: As its performance during the week, so is its performance on Shabbat, except that on Shabbat one would not draw water. Instead, on Shabbat eve, one would fill a golden barrel that was not consecrated and would place it in the Temple chamber, and water would be drawn from there on Shabbat. The Gemara asks: And why should one do so? Let him bring the water in a consecrated barrel. Ze’iri said: The tanna in the mishna holds that there is no requisite measure for the water to be poured for libation, and therefore more than three log could be consecrated; and that Temple vessels consecrate their content if it is fit to be consecrated, even without intent to consecrate it.