נזיר דף סה

בודק הימנו ולהלן עשרים אמה, מצא אחד בסוף עשרים אמה — בודק הימנו ולהלן עשרים אמה. שרגלים לדבר. שאילו תחילה מצאו — נוטלו ואת תפוסתו.

גמ׳ אמר רב יהודה: מצא — פרט למצוי. מת — פרט להרוג. מושכב — פרט ליושב. כדרכו — פרט לשראשו מונח בין ירכותיו.

תני עולא בר חנינא: מת שחסר, אין לו תפוסה ולא שכונת קברות. וכל הני מאי טעמא לא? אמרינן דילמא גוי הוא.

מצא שנים, ראשו של זה בצד מרגלותיו של זה, וראשו של זה בצד מרגלותיו של זה — אין להן תפוסה ולא שכונת קברות. מצא שלשה,

האחד ידוע ושנים תחילה, או שנים תחילה ושנים ידועים — אין להם תפוסה, ואין להם שכונת קברות.

מעשה ברבי ישבב שבדק ומצא שנים ידועין ואחד תחילה, וביקש לעשותן שכונת קברות. אמר לו רבי עקיבא: כל שיגעת — לריק יגעת.

לא אמרו שכונת קברות אלא לשלשה ידועין, או לשלשה תחילה.

נוטלן ואת תפוסתן. היכי דמי תפוסה? אמר רב יהודה: אמר קרא ״ונשאתני ממצרים״ — טול עמי.

וכמה שיעור תפוסה? פירש רבי אלעזר (ברבי צדוק): נוטל עפר תיחוח, וחופר בבתולה שלש אצבעות.

מיתיבי: וכמה שיעור תפוסה? פירש רבי אלעזר ברבי צדוק: נוטל את הקיסמין ואת הקססות.

וזורק את הוודאין ומניח את הספיקות. והשאר מצטרף לרוב בנינו של מת, ולרובע עצמות, למלא תרווד רקב.

הוא דאמר כי האי תנא, דתניא: וכמה שיעור תפוסה? אמר רבי יוחנן משום בן עזאי: נוטל עפר תיחוח, וחופר בבתולה שלש אצבעות.

בודק הימנו.

אמר רבא: בדק ופנה, בדק ופנה, בדק ואשכח — לא האי מפני ליה גבי הנך תרי, ולא הני תרי לגבי האי חד.

Rava said: With regard to one who examined, found a corpse, and removed it from its place, and again examined nearby, found another corpse, and removed it from its place as well, if he examined yet again and discovered a third corpse, he does not move this third one alongside these two he has already moved, as he now knows that this was a graveyard and the corpses were buried there intentionally. And he does not return these two alongside this one either, as he is not obligated to restore the corpses to their prior locations after they have been reburied.

איכא דאמרי, אמר רבא: כיון שנתנה רשות לפנות, מפנה להון. ולישוינהו שכונת קברות! אמר ריש לקיש: עילא, מצאו וטיהרו ארץ ישראל.

There are those who say that Rava said: Since permission was granted to move the first and second corpses, one may therefore move them all, including the third one. The Gemara asks: And let us deem them part of a graveyard. Since three corpses were found buried together, there might be others in the vicinity. Reish Lakish said: They found a pretext and deemed Eretz Yisrael ritually pure. Since at that point there was just one corpse, the Sages were lenient and were not concerned about any further impurity. The Sages wished to avoid uncertain impurity because people were careful to observe the halakhot of ritual purity in Eretz Yisrael, and additional cases of uncertain impurity would be complicated to observe.

בדק מעשרים אמה ולא מצא, מאי? אמר רב מנשיא בר ירמיה אמר רב: שכונת קברות. מאי טעמא? אמר ריש לקיש: עילא מצאו וטיהרו את ארץ ישראל.

The Gemara asks another question: If one examined twenty cubits from the location of those corpses and did not find anything, what is the halakha? Rav Menashya bar Yirmeya says that Rav says: This is a graveyard. Those three corpses compose the graveyard and there is no concern for others. The Gemara asks: What is the reason for this ruling? Why is there no concern that there might be many more corpses in the surrounding area? Once again Reish Lakish said: They found a pretext and deemed Eretz Yisrael ritually pure. Eretz Yisrael is deemed pure in a case of uncertainty.

מתני׳ כל ספק נגעים בתחילה, טהור — עד שלא נזקק לטומאה. משנזקק לטומאה — ספקו טמא.

MISHNA: Any case of uncertainty with regard to leprous sores is initially deemed pure until it is established that it is a case of ritual impurity. Once it has been determined to be a case of impurity, uncertainty concerning it is deemed impure.

גמ׳ מנא הני מילי? אמר רב יהודה אמר רב: אמר קרא ״לטהרו או לטמאו״, הואיל ופתח [בו] הכתוב בטהרה תחילה. אי הכי, אפילו משנזקק לטומאה נמי ספקו טהור!

GEMARA: The Gemara asks: From where are these matters derived? Rav Yehuda said that Rav said: The verse states: “This is the law of the plague of leprosy…to pronounce it pure or to pronounce it impure” (Leviticus 13:59). Since the verse opened with purity first, this teaches that any case of uncertainty concerning leprous sores is deemed pure. The Gemara asks: If so, if the halakha is based on this verse, then even once it has been determined to be a case of impurity, uncertainty concerning it should be deemed pure as well, as this interpretation of the verse should apply to all cases of uncertainty with regard to leprosy.

אלא, כי איתמר דרב יהודה אמר רב, אהא איתמר: אם בהרת קדמה לשער לבן — טמא, ואם שער לבן קודם לבהרת — טהור. ספק — טמא.

Rather, when this statement, that Rav Yehuda said that Rav said, was stated, it was stated with regard to the following dispute in a mishna concerning an uncertain leprous sore (Nega’im 4:11): If the snow-white leprous sore [baheret], which is one sign of leprosy, preceded the white hair, which is another sign, he is impure. This halakha is stated in the Torah (see Leviticus 13:3). And if the white hair preceded the baheret he is pure, as this is not considered a sign of impurity. If there is uncertainty as to which came first, he is impure. And Rabbi Yehoshua said: Keiha.

ורבי יהושע אמר: כיהה.

מאי ״כיהה״? אמר רב יהודה: כיהה וטהור. ודילמא כיהה וטמא? אמר רב יהודה אמר רב: אמר קרא ״לטהרו או לטמאו״. הואיל ופתח בו הכתוב בטהרה תחילה.

The Gemara asks: What is the meaning of keiha? Rav Yehuda said: Rabbi Yehoshua pronounced the matter unsolvable and ruled it is pure. The Gemara further asks: And perhaps this means that he pronounced the matter unsolvable and ruled it is impure? Rav Yehuda said that Rav said: The verse states: “To pronounce it pure or to pronounce it impure” (Leviticus 13:59); since the verse opened with purity first, any case of uncertainty concerning leprous sores is deemed pure.

מתני׳ בשבעה דרכים בודקין את הזב עד שלא נזקק לזיבה: במאכל ובמשתה, במשא ובקפיצה, ובחולי, ובמראה, ובהירהור.

MISHNA: This mishna discusses another case that includes the statement: There is a basis to anticipate the matter. One examines a man who experienced a gonorrhea-like discharge [zav] in seven ways, as long as he has not been confirmed as having a gonorrhea-like discharge [ziva]. With regard to an individual’s second such discharge, before he has been established as a greater zav, one examines to see whether there may have been a particular trigger of his discharge. One examines him with regard to food and with regard to drink, in case the discharge might have been the result of overeating or excess drinking; with regard to a burden, as it might have been caused by the weight of a heavy burden; and with regard to jumping, in case he jumped and this led to the discharge; and with regard to sickness; and with regard to an arousing sight; and with regard to the thought of a woman.

משנזקק לזיבה — אין בודקין אותו. אונסו וספיקו ושכבת זרעו — טמאים. שרגלים לדבר.

Once he has been confirmed as having a ziva, after two definite discharges of ziva, one no longer examines him in this way, as any discharge is deemed impure. If one experiences three discharges of ziva, he is obligated to bring an offering following his purification. Accordingly, his discharge that was due to circumstances beyond his control, i.e., for one of the seven reasons listed above, and his discharge about which it is uncertain if it is ziva, and even his semen, which is not usually considered the discharge of a zav, are all impure. Why is this so? It is because there is a basis for anticipating the matter. Once he has the status of a zav, it can be assumed that subsequent discharges are of ziva as well.

המכה את חבירו ואמדוהו למיתה, והקל ממה שהיה, לאחר מכאן הכביד ומת — חייב. רבי נחמיה אומר: פטור, שרגלים לדבר.

The Sages similarly taught: With regard to one who strikes another with heavy blows, and doctors assessed that he would die as a result of the beating, but his health improved from what it was, so that they then determined that he would not die from his injuries, and afterward his condition worsened and he died, the one who struck him is liable to receive court-imposed capital punishment, as it is assumed that the victim’s death was caused by the assault. Rabbi Neḥemya says: He is exempt, because there is a basis for anticipating the matter. Since the victim began to recover during his illness, it is reasonable to assume that his death was caused by a factor other than the assault.

גמ׳ מנא הני מילי? אמר רבי נתן: אמר קרא ״והזב את זובו״, לראיה שלישית איתקש לנקיבה.

GEMARA: The Gemara asks: From where are these matters derived, that one examines a zav before he has been confirmed as having a ziva, but not after? Rabbi Natan says that the verse states: “And the zav who has an issue [zav et zovo], whether it is a man or a woman” (Leviticus 15:33). This teaches that after two discharges, corresponding to the words zav and zovo, with regard to the third sighting, when one is already a zav, the verse juxtaposes the halakha of a male to that of a female: Just as it makes no difference in the case of a female whether her discharge of menstrual blood was triggered by an external factor, as she is ritually impure regardless, once a male zav has the status of impurity, one no longer examines him to see if his discharge was triggered by an external factor.

והתניא, רבי אליעזר אומר בשלישית בודקין אותו, ברביעית אין בודקין אותו! אלא באתים קמיפלגי: רבי אליעזר דריש אתים. ורבנן לא דרשי אתים.

The Gemara asks: But isn’t it taught in a mishna (Zavim 2:2) that Rabbi Eliezer says: For the third discharge one still examines him; for the fourth discharge one does not examine him. Where does the verse allude to the fourth discharge? The Gemara answers: Rather, they disagree with regard to instances of the word “et,” i.e., whether or not the word “et” teaches an additional halakha, or whether it is written purely for syntactical reasons. Rabbi Eliezer expounds instances of the word “et,” and therefore he counts the phrase “zav et zovo” as three words referring to three discharges. And the Rabbis do not expound instances of the word “et,” which means that in their opinion this verse alludes to only two discharges.

אונסו וספיקו.

§ The mishna taught that his discharge that was due to circumstances beyond his control, and his discharge about which it is uncertain if it is ziva, are considered impure.