מנחות דף פה

Menachos 85

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Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Menachos daf 85 (מסכת מנחות דף פה), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.

אלא לרבי יוחנן, קשיא? תנאי היא, דתניא: שבגג ושבחורבה – מביא וקורא, שבעציץ ושבספינה – אינו מביא כל עיקר. וכולן אינן באות אלא מן המובחר כו׳. אמרי ליה יוחנא וממרא…

The same discussion elsewhere in Shas

Menachos 85: the daf with times in the shiur

Tap a time to hear Rabbi Karp's explanation of that passage.

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אלא לרבי יוחנן, קשיא?

Having reconciled all the apparent contradictions between the two baraitot according to the opinion of Reish Lakish, the Gemara asks: But according to Rabbi Yoḥanan, who holds inferior produce cannot be consecrated as first fruits, the first baraita is difficult, as it states that inferior produce can be consecrated.

תנאי היא, דתניא: שבגג ושבחורבה – מביא וקורא, שבעציץ ושבספינה – אינו מביא כל עיקר.

The Gemara answers: The baraitot cited above contradict Rabbi Yoḥanan’s opinion. But there is a dispute between tanna’im with regard to this issue, as it is taught in a baraita: With regard to produce that grew on a roof, or that grew in a ruin, the owner brings it and recites the accompanying passage. With regard to produce that grew in a flowerpot, or that grew on a ship, the owner does not bring it at all. Rabbi Yoḥanan holds in accordance with that baraita.

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וכולן אינן באות אלא מן המובחר כו׳. אמרי ליה יוחנא וממרא למשה: תבן אתה מכניס לעפריים! אמר להו: אמרי אינשי ״למתא ירקא – ירקא שקול״.

§ The mishna states: And all meal offerings come only from the optimal produce. One of the places the mishna mentions as having good-quality produce is Aforayim. The superior quality of its produce was so well known that Aforayim was used as an example in colloquial aphorisms. In Moses and Aaron’s first meeting with Pharaoh, Aaron cast his staff to the ground, whereupon it turned into a serpent. Pharaoh’s necromancers then duplicated the feat using their incantations, only to then be confounded when Aaron’s staff swallowed up all of theirs (see Exodus 7:10–12). The Gemara relates the conversation that took place: Pharaoh’s two leading necromancers, Yoḥana and Mamre, said to Moses: Are you bringing straw to Afarayim? Performing necromancy in Egypt, the world leader in sorcery, is like bringing straw to Afarayim, which is rich in the finest grains. Moses said to them: It is as people say: To a city rich in herbs, take herbs. If you want to guarantee that people will appreciate your merchandise, bring it to a place where they are familiar with it.

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מתני׳ אין מביאין לא מבית הזבלים, ולא מבית השלחים, ולא מבית האילן, ואם הביא – כשר.

MISHNA: Even when selecting grain for meal offerings from the locations mentioned in the previous mishna, one may not bring as a meal offering grain from a fertilized field, nor from an irrigated field, nor from a field of trees, as such fields do not produce grain of optimal quality. But if one did bring a meal offering of grain from such fields, it is fit.

▶ 2:05

כיצד הוא עושה? נרה שנה ראשונה, ובשנה שניה זורעה קודם לפסח שבעים יום, והוא עושה סולת מרובה.

How does one produce optimal-quality grain? He plows the field during the first year, but he does not sow it, and in the second year, he sows it seventy days before Passover, and in that manner it produces grain that will provide an abundance of fine, high-quality flour.

▶ 2:55

כיצד בודק הגזבר? מכניס ידו לתוכה. עלה בה אבק – פסולה, עד שינפנה.

How does the Temple treasurer inspect the flour to determine whether it is of sufficiently high quality? The treasurer inserts his hand into the flour. If, when he removes his hand, flour powder covers it, the flour is unfit, until one sifts it with a fine sifter, so that no powder will remain.

▶ 3:42

ואם התליעה – פסולה.

And if the flour became wormy, it is unfit for use in a meal offering.

▶ 3:56

גמ׳ כיצד עושה? נרה שנה ראשונה. איבעיא להו: היכי קאמר? נרה שנה ראשונה ושניה נרה וזורעה, או דלמא נרה שנה ראשונה ושניה זורעה בלא נרה?

GEMARA: The mishna states: How does one produce optimal-quality grain? He plows the field during the first year, and in the second year he sows it. The Gemara clarifies what should be done in the second year: A dilemma was raised before the Sages: What is the tanna saying? Is he saying that he plows the field during the first year, and in the second year he plows it and sows it? Or perhaps he is saying that he plows the field during the first year, and in the second year he sows it without plowing it.

▶ 4:41

תא שמע, דתניא: אמר רבי יוסי: אף חיטי כרזיים וכפר אחים, אלמלא סמוכות לירושלים – היו מביאין מהן, לפי שאין מביאין את העומר אלא מן

The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a resolution, as it is taught in a baraita: Rabbi Yosei says: Also concerning grain grown in Kerazayim and Kefar Aḥim, if only those places had been close to Jerusalem, they would have brought barley from them for the omer. As the halakha is that one brings the omer only from the southern fields and those that were plowed for that purpose, as upon such fields, the sun rises and shines, and from those fields, the sun also sets. In other words, those fields are exposed to a lot of sunlight, so they produce a superior-quality crop. Kerazayim and Kefar Aḥim were such fields, but they were too far from Jerusalem for their barley to be used for the omer offering.

▶ 6:30

השדות המודרמות והמנונרות לכך, שבהן חמה זורחת, ומהן חמה שוקעת.

▶ 9:26

כיצד עושה? נרה שנה ראשונה, ושניה חורש ושונה, וזורעה קודם לפסח שבעים יום, כדי שתהא סמוכה לחמה, ועושה קנה זרת ושיבולת זרתיים.

The baraita continues: How does one produce optimal-quality grain? He plows the field during the first year, and in the second year, he plows it once and then repeats the plowing a second time, and he sows it seventy days before Passover. It is done this way in order that the sowing will be done close to the time when the strength of the sun reaches its climax, and will thereby produce a high-quality crop in which the length of a stalk is a handspan and the ear itself is two handspans.

▶ 10:20

וקוצר ומעמר, ודש, וזורה, ובורר, וטוחן, ומרקד, ומביא אצל גזבר, וגזבר מכניס ידו לתוכה. אם עלתה בה אבק – אומר לו: ״חזור ונפה אותה שניה״.

And then one reaps the grain and gathers it together into a pile, and then he threshes the grain and winnows it, and then he sorts the inedible admixture from the edible grain, and then he grinds the grain and sifts it and brings the flour produced to the Temple treasurer. And the treasurer inserts his hand into it in order to check its quality. If upon removing his hand powder covers it, the treasurer says to the owner: Go back and sift it a second time. The Sages say in the name of Rabbi Natan that the treasurer would perform a more thorough examination of the flour’s quality. He douses his hand with oil and then inserts it into the flour until all of its powder will be brought up.

▶ 10:49

משום רבי נתן אמרו: גזבר סך ידו שמן, ומכניס לתוכה עד שמעלה כל אבקה.

▶ 11:07

קתני מיהת חורש ושונה.

The Gemara explains that the baraita provides a resolution to the dilemma: In any event, the baraita teaches that during the second year, the owner of the field plows it once and then repeats the plowing. It is explicit, then, that during the second year the field should be plowed.

▶ 11:26

ולטעמיך, מתניתין לא קתני ״שונה״,

The Gemara rejects this proof: But even according to your reasoning, ultimately the mishna does not teach that he plows the field and then repeats the plowing;

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▶ 11:36

ברייתא קתני ״שונה״.

it is only the baraita that teaches that he plows and then repeats the plowing. It would appear, then, that the mishna and baraita express different opinions, and it may be that according to the mishna one does not need to plow in the second year at all.

▶ 11:41

הא לא קשיא, כאן בעבודה, כאן בשאינה עבודה.

The Gemara dismisses this suggestion: This is not difficult; it is possible that the mishna and the baraita do not disagree, and here, the mishna, which does not require plowing a second time, is referring to a cultivated field, whereas there, the baraita is referring to an uncultivated field, and therefore it requires that the field be plowed a second time.

▶ 12:57

מאי הוי עלה? תא שמע, דתניא: נר חציה וזורע חציה, נר חציה וזורע חציה.

The Gemara concludes: What halakhic conclusion was reached about this matter? Come and hear the resolution from that which is taught in a baraita: For the first year, one plows the entire field during the first half of the year, and then he sows half of the field, leaving the other half fallow. For the second year, one again plows the entire field during the first half of the year, and then he sows the half of the field that was left fallow in the previous year. It is evident from this baraita that during the second year as well, the field is plowed before it is sown.

▶ 13:40

אמר רבי יוחנן: אין מביאין את העומר אלא מן השדות המודרמות שבארץ ישראל, שבהן חמה זורחת, ומהן חמה שוקעת.

§ Rabbi Yoḥanan says: One brings the omer only from the southern fields of Eretz Yisrael, as upon those fields, the sun rises and shines, and from those fields, the sun also sets. Those fields are exposed to abundant sunlight, and so they produce a superior-quality crop.

▶ 13:59

תניא נמי הכי, אבא שאול אומר: עומר היה בא מבקעת בית מקלה, כבת שלש סאין היתה, ושדה מודרמת היתה, ובה חמה זורחת וממנה חמה שוקעת.

This is also taught in a baraita: Abba Shaul says that the omer would come from grain grown in the valley of Beit Mikle. The field there was about three se’a, and it was a southern field, and the sun would rise and shine upon it, and the sun would set from it. During the first year, the farmer plowed the entire field during the first half of the year, and he then sowed half of the field, leaving the other half fallow. During the second year, he again plowed the entire field during the first half of the year, and he then sowed the half of the field that was left fallow in the previous year.

▶ 14:22

ניר חציה וזורע חציה, ניר חציה וזורע חציה.

▶ 14:40

רב חלקיה בר טובי הוה ליה קרנא דארעא, נר חציה וזרע חציה, נר חציה וזרע חציה, ועבדה על חד תרי, ומזבין להו לחיטי לסמידא.

The Gemara demonstrates the efficacy of this method: Rav Ḥilkiya bar Tovi had a tract of land. He plowed the field during the first half of the year and then sowed half of it. The next year, he plowed the field during the first half of the year and then sowed the other half of it. And this method was so effective that his field produced twice as much wheat as other fields its size, and it was of such a superior quality that he sold the wheat to be used as fine flour [lismida] for the meal offerings in the Temple.

▶ 15:38

ואם התליעה – פסולה. תנו רבנן: סולת שהתליעה רובה – פסולה, וחיטין שהתליעו רובן – פסולות. בעי רבי ירמיה: ברוב חטה, או ברוב סאה? תיקו.

§ The mishna teaches: And if the flour became wormy, it is unfit for use in a meal offering. The Sages taught in a baraita: Fine flour the majority of which became wormy is unfit. And similarly, wheat kernels the majority of which became wormy are unfit, and they may not be used to produce fine flour for meal offerings. Rabbi Yirmeya asks: What is the meaning of this latter ruling? Is it saying only that if the majority of an individual wheat kernel becomes wormy the flour produced from it is unfit, or is it saying that when the majority of a se’a of kernels becomes wormy the entire se’a is unfit? The Gemara concludes: The dilemma shall stand unresolved.

▶ 16:22

בעי רבא: הקדישן, מהו שילקה עליהן משום בעל מום? כיון דפסיל – כבעל מום דמי, או דלמא אין בעל מום אלא בבהמה? תיקו.

Rava asks: If one consecrated grains of wormy wheat for use in a meal offering, what is the halakha with regard to whether he should be flogged for consecrating them due to the prohibition against consecrating a flawed item as an offering? One is flogged for consecrating a blemished animal as an offering (see Temura 6b); does the same apply to consecrating wormy wheat? Does one say that since the wheat is unfit, it is comparable to a blemished animal? Or perhaps, the prohibition against consecrating a flawed item applies only to an animal. The Gemara concludes: The dilemma shall stand unresolved.

▶ 17:17

תנן התם: כל עץ שנמצא בו תולעת – פסול לגבי מזבח. אמר שמואל: לא שנו אלא לח, אבל יבש – גוררו וכשר.

§ We learned in a mishna elsewhere (Middot 2:5) with regard to the wood logs that are burned on the altar: Priests inspect them before they are used and any log in which a worm is found is unfit for use on the altar. In reference to this mishna, Shmuel says: They taught this halakha only with regard to a wet log, as a wormy section cannot be removed. But if a wormy section is found in a dry log, the priest scrapes the wormy spot away, and the log is fit for use.

▶ 17:45

בעי רבא: הקדישו, מהו שילקה עליו משום בעל מום? כיון דפסול כבעל מום דמי, או דלמא אין בעל מום אלא בבהמה? תיקו.

Rava asks: If one consecrated a wormy log to be used on the altar, what is the halakha with regard to whether he should be flogged for consecrating it due to the prohibition against consecrating a flawed item as an offering? Does one say that since the log is unfit, it is comparable to a blemished animal? Or perhaps, the prohibition against consecrating a flawed item applies only to an animal. The Gemara concludes: The dilemma shall stand unresolved.

▶ 18:25

מתני׳ תקוע – אלפא לשמן. אבא שאול אומר: שניה לה רגב בעבר הירדן. כל הארצות היו כשרות, אלא מיכן היו מביאין.

MISHNA: Olive trees in Tekoa are the primary source of oil to be used in meal offerings. Abba Shaul says: Secondary to Tekoa is Regev on the east bank of the Jordan River. All the regions were valid for oil to be brought from them, but it was from here that they would bring it.

▶ 18:52

אין מביאין לא מבית הזבלים, ולא מבית השלחים, ולא מן מה שנזרע ביניהם, ואם הביא – כשר. אין מביאין אנפקטן, ואם הביא – כשר.

One may not bring a meal offering containing oil from olives taken from a fertilized olive grove, nor from olives taken from an irrigated olive grove, nor from olives taken from an olive grove where grain was sown between the trees. But if one did bring a meal offering containing oil from such groves, it is valid. One may not bring a meal offering containing oil from unripe olives [anpiktan], but if one did bring it, it is valid. One may not bring a meal offering containing oil from olives that were soaked in water, nor from pickled olives, nor from boiled olives, and even if one did bring it, it is not valid.

▶ 20:15

אין מביאין מן הגרגרין שנשרו במים, ולא מן הכבשים, ולא מן השלוקים, ואם הביא – פסול.

▶ 21:34

גמ׳ ״וישלח יואב תקועה ויקח משם אשה חכמה״, מאי שנא תקועה? אמר רבי יוחנן: מתוך שרגילין בשמן זית, חכמה מצויה בהן.

GEMARA: The Gemara notes the effect of Tekoa’s oil on those living there: The verse states: “And Joab sent to Tekoa, and fetched from there a wise woman” (II Samuel 14:2). What is different about Tekoa that Joab chose to bring a woman from there? Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Since the residents of Tekoa are accustomed to use olive oil, wisdom is prevalent there.

▶ 22:12

תנו רבנן: ״וטבל בשמן רגלו״ – זה חלקו של אשר, שמושך שמן כמעין. אמרו: פעם אחת נצרכו להן אנשי לודקיא (בשמן) [לשמן], מינו להן פולמוסטוס אחד, אמרו לו:

§ The Gemara digresses to discuss the tribal portion of Asher, in which the city of Tekoa is located: The Sages taught in a baraita: In his blessing to the tribe of Asher, Moses said: “He will be pleasing to his brothers, and immerse his foot in oil” (Deuteronomy 33:24). This is referring to the portion of Asher, as the oil flows there like a spring. The Gemara relates: They said that once, the people of Laodicea were in need of oil. They appointed a gentile messenger [polmostos] and said to him: Go and bring us one million maneh worth of oil.

▶ 22:58

לך והבא לנו שמן במאה ריבוא.

▶ 23:05

הלך לירושלים, אמרו לו: לך לצור, הלך לצור, אמרו לו: לך לגוש חלב, הלך לגוש חלב, אמרו לו: לך אצל פלוני לשדה הלז,

He first went to Jerusalem to procure the oil, but residents there did not have that quantity of oil. They said to him: Go to Tyre, which was a commercial city. He went to Tyre, but they also did not have enough oil. They said to him: Go to Gush Ḥalav, which is located in the portion of Asher. He went to Gush Ḥalav, and they said to him: Go to so-and-so, to that field. He went there and found someone hoeing [ozek] under his olive trees. The messenger said to that man: Do you have the one million maneh worth of oil that I need? The man said to him: Wait for me until I complete my labor, i.e., hoeing. The messenger waited until the man completed his labor.

▶ 23:30

ומצאו שהיה עוזק תחת זיתיו. אמר לו: יש לך שמן במאה ריבוא שאני צריך? אמר לו: המתן לי עד שאסיים מלאכתי, המתין עד שסיים מלאכתו.

▶ 24:35

לאחר שסיים מלאכתו, הפשיל כליו לאחוריו, והיה מסקל ובא בדרך. אמר לו: יש לך שמן במאה ריבוא? כמדומה אני ששחוק שחקו בי היהודים. כיון שהגיע לעירו,

After he completed his labor, the man slung his tools over his shoulders behind him, a manner typical of poor laborers, and started walking, and he was removing stones from his orchard as he went along the path. Upon seeing this behavior, which suggested the man was merely a laborer, the messenger questioned whether the man was truly able to provide him with the oil. He said to the man: Can it be that you really have the one million maneh worth of oil that I need? It seems to me that the Jews of Gush Ḥalav are making a laughingstock of me by sending me here. When he reached his city, the man’s maidservant brought out to him a kettle [kumkemos] of hot water, and he washed his hands and his feet. Afterward, she brought out to him a golden basin filled with oil, in which he immersed his hands and feet, in fulfillment of that which is stated with regard to the Tribe of Asher: “And immerse his foot in oil” (Deuteronomy 33:24).

▶ 25:30

הוציאה לו שפחתו קומקמוס של חמין, ורחץ בו ידיו ורגליו. הוציאה לו ספל של זהב מליאה שמן, וטבל בו ידיו ורגליו, לקיים מה שנאמר: ״וטובל בשמן רגלו״.

▶ 26:15

לאחר שאכלו ושתו, מדד לו שמן במאה ריבוא. אמר לו: כלום אתה צריך ליותר? אמר לו: הן, אלא שאין לי דמים. אמר לו:

After they ate and drank, the man measured out for the messenger one million maneh worth of oil. The man said to him: Are you sure that you do not need any more oil? The messenger said to him: Yes, I do need more, but I do not have the money for it. The man said to him: If you wish to take more oil, take it and I will go back to Laodicea with you and collect the money for the extra oil there. The messenger agreed and the man measured out an additional 180,000 maneh worth of oil. Concerning this incident, people said: The messenger had such an enormous burden of oil that he left neither a horse, nor a mule, nor a camel, nor a donkey in all of Eretz Yisrael that he did not rent in order to help transport the oil back to Laodicea.

▶ 26:29

אם אתה רוצה ליקח – קח, ואני אלך עמך ואטול דמיו. מדד לו שמן בשמונה עשר ריבוא. אמרו: לא הניח אותו האיש לא סוס ולא

▶ 27:00

פרד ולא גמל ולא חמור בארץ ישראל שלא שכרו.

▶ 27:11

כיון שהגיע לעירו, יצאו אנשי עירו לקלסו. אמר להם: לא לי קלסוני, אלא לזה שבא עמי, שמדד לי שמן במאה ריבוא, והרי נושה בי בשמונה עשרה ריבוא,

When the messenger finally reached his city, the people of his city came out to praise him [lekaleso] for achieving this tremendous feat. The messenger said to them: Do not praise me. Rather, praise this man who has come with me, as it is he who measured for me one million maneh worth of oil, and he extended a debt to me for 180,000 maneh worth of oil. This incident was in fulfillment of that which is stated: “There is one who seems to be rich, yet has nothing; there is one who seems to be poor, yet has great wealth” (Proverbs 13:7).

▶ 28:53

לקיים מה שנאמר: ״יש מתעשר ואין כל מתרושש והון רב״.

▶ 32:04

אין מביאין לא מבית הזבלים, והתניא: אין מביאין אנפקטן,

§ The mishna teaches: One may not bring a meal offering containing oil made from olives from a fertilized olive grove. The mishna continues to state that one may not bring a meal offering containing oil from unripe olives, and, according to one version of the mishna’s text, it adds that even if one did bring a meal offering containing such oil, it is not valid. The Gemara asks: But isn’t it taught in a baraita: One may not bring a meal offering containing oil made from unripe olives,