גיטין דף כט

אבל בבית דין של ישראל, כיון דנפק ליה דינא לקטלא – קטלי ליה.

but in a Jewish court, once his verdict to be executed has emerged, they execute him.

אמר ליה אביי: בית דין של ישראל נמי, אפשר דחזו ליה זכותא! כי חזו ליה זכותא – מקמי דליגמר דינא,

Abaye said to him: In a Jewish court as well, it is possible that the court will see fit to acquit him afterward and he will be released. Rav Yosef said: When the court sees fit to acquit him, it is before the verdict; after the verdict the court will not further see fit to acquit him, as it is uncommon for the court to find a reason to acquit him after his verdict has been delivered.

בתר גמר דינא – תו לא חזו ליה זכותא.

לימא מסייעא ליה: כל מקום שיעמדו שנים ויאמרו ״מעידים אנו את איש פלוני שנגמר דינו בבית דינו של פלוני, ופלוני ופלוני עדיו״ – הרי זה יהרג!

The Gemara suggests: Let us say that a mishna (Makkot 7a) supports Rav Yosef’s opinion: Concerning one who fled from the court after his verdict was issued, the mishna states: Any place where two witnesses arise and say: We testify about so-and-so that his verdict was finalized in the court of so-and-so, and so-and-so and so-and-so were his witnesses, the halakha is that this person should be killed. It is evident from the mishna in tractate Makkot that there is no concern that the court might later have found a reason to release him. The Gemara answers: Perhaps one who flees is different, as the court will not reconsider his verdict once he has fled.

דלמא בורח שאני.

תא שמע: שמע מבית דין של ישראל שהיו אומרים ״איש פלוני מת״; ״איש פלוני נהרג״ – ישיאו את אשתו. מקומנטריסים של גוים ״איש פלוני מת״; ״איש

The Gemara suggests another proof: Come and hear: If one heard from a Jewish court that they were saying: The man so-and-so died, or: The man so-and-so was killed, then the court allows his wife to marry. If he heard from a gentile judicial registrar: The man so-and-so died, or: The man so-and-so was killed, then the court does not allow his wife to marry.

פלוני נהרג״ – אל ישיאו את אשתו.

מאי ״מת״ ומאי ״נהרג״? אילימא ״מת״ – ממש, ו״נהרג״ – ממש; דכוותיה גבי גוים, אמאי אל ישיאו את אשתו? הא קיימא לן,

The Gemara clarifies: What does it mean when it says: Died, and what does it mean when it says: Was killed? If we say that it means that he actually died, and that he actually was killed, such that the case concerning the gentiles is stated in a similar manner, i.e., that he heard from the gentile registrar that the person was actually dead, why may the court not allow his wife to marry? Don’t we maintain that with regard to any gentile who speaks offhandedly, the Sages deemed him credible? Therefore, the gentile should be deemed credible when he says that someone died or was killed.

כל מסיח לפי תומו הימוני מהימני ליה!

אלא לאו ״מת״ – יוצא למות, ו״נהרג״ – יוצא ליהרג? וקתני: בבית דין של ישראל ישיאו את אשתו!

Rather, is it not necessary to explain that when it says: Died, it means that he is going out to die, and when it says: Was killed, it means that he is going out to be executed. And it teaches: If one heard in a Jewish court then the court allows his wife to marry, as it is assumed that he was already executed, in support of the statement of Rav Yosef.

לעולם מת ממש ונהרג ממש; דכוותיה גבי גוים אמאי לא, והא קיימא לן דכל מסיח לפי תומו הימוני מהימני – הני מילי במילתא דלא שייכי בה,

The Gemara answers: Actually, it can be explained that he actually died, and was actually killed; and with regard to that which you said: Such that the case concerning the gentiles is stated in a similar manner, why may the court not allow his wife to marry? Don’t we maintain that with regard to any gentile who speaks offhandedly, the Sages deemed him credible? The answer is that this credibility applies only in a matter that is not relevant to the gentiles; but in a matter that is relevant to the gentiles, such as here, where they desire to publicize that they carried out their verdict, it is common for them to reinforce their false verdict.

אבל במילתא דשייכי בה, עבדי לאחזוקי שקרייהו.

מתני׳ המביא גט בארץ ישראל, וחלה – הרי זה משלחו ביד אחר. ואם אמר לו: ״טול לי הימנה חפץ פלוני״ – לא ישלחנו ביד אחר,

MISHNA: With regard to an agent who brings a bill of divorce in Eretz Yisrael, where his only responsibility is to transmit the bill of divorce to the wife, and the agent became sick, this agent may send it in the possession of another agent. But if the husband said to the agent: When you transmit the bill of divorce to my wife, take for me such and such an item from her that I left with her as a deposit, then he may not send it in the possession of another agent. This is because it is assumed that it is not the desire of the husband that his deposit be in the possession of another person whom he did not appoint as his agent.

שאין רצונו שיהא פקדונו ביד אחר.

גמ׳ אמר רב כהנא: ״חלה״ תנן. פשיטא, ״חלה״ קתני! מהו דתימא הוא הדין אף על גב דלא חלה, והאי דקתני ״חלה״ אורחא דמילתא קתני; קא משמע לן.

GEMARA: Rav Kahana said: We learned in the mishna that the agent became sick; otherwise, he may not appoint a second agent. The Gemara asks: This is obvious, as the mishna teaches explicitly that the agent became sick. The Gemara answers: Lest you say that the same is true, i.e., that he may transfer the bill of divorce to another agent, even though the agent did not become sick, and the reason that the mishna teaches specifically that he became sick is that the mishna teaches the matter in the manner in which it typically occurs, as an agent typically fulfills his agency, barring unavoidable circumstances, therefore, Rav Kahana teaches us that an agent may appoint another agent only when he becomes sick.

היכי דמי? אי דאמר ליה ״הולך״ – אף על גב דלא חלה נמי! ואי דאמר ליה ״את הולך״ – אפילו חלה נמי לא! ואי רבן שמעון בן גמליאל,

The Gemara clarifies: What are the circumstances of his appointment as an agent? If this is a case where the husband said to the agent: Deliver this bill of divorce to my wife, then even though the agent did not become sick, he may also appoint an agent in his place, as the husband did not state that he must be the one to deliver the bill of divorce. And if this is a case where he said to the agent: You, deliver this bill of divorce to my wife, then even if he became sick, he also may not appoint a second agent in his place, as the husband specified that he must be the one to deliver the bill of divorce. And if the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, then even if he became sick he also may not appoint a second agent, no matter what the husband said.

אפילו חלה נמי לא!

דתניא: ״הולך גט זה לאשתי״ – הרי זה משלחו ביד אחר. ״את הולך גט זה לאשתי״ – הרי זה לא ישלחנו ביד אחר. רבן שמעון בן גמליאל אומר:

The Gemara explains: As it is taught in a baraita in the Tosefta (2:13): If the husband said to an agent: Deliver this bill of divorce to my wife, then this agent may send it in the possession of another agent. However, if the husband said: You, deliver this bill of divorce to my wife, then this agent may not send it in the possession of another agent. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Whether the husband said it like this or whether the husband said it like that, the agent may not designate another agent. Therefore, Rav Kahana’s statement is difficult.

בין כך ובין כך – אין השליח עושה שליח.

איבעית אימא ״הולך״, והוא דחלה; ואי בעית אימא ״את הולך״, וחלה שאני; ואי בעית אימא רבן שמעון בן גמליאל היא, וחלה שאני.

The Gemara answers: If you wish, say that the mishna is referring to a case where the husband said to his agent: Deliver the bill of divorce, without specifying that he must be the one to do so, and Rav Kahana understood the baraita as follows: And this halakha, that he may send it in the possession of another agent, applies only when the agent became sick. And if you wish, say that the mishna is referring to a case where the husband said: You deliver, but one who became sick is different, and it is assumed that under those circumstances the husband would allow him to designate another agent. And if you wish, say that the mishna is even in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, that an agent is ordinarily not permitted to designate another agent. But a case where the agent became sick is different, and the agent may designate another agent.

תנן: המביא גט בארץ ישראל, וחלה – הרי זה משלחו ביד אחר. ורמינהו, אמר לשנים: ״תנו גט לאשתי״; או לשלשה:

We learned in the mishna: With regard to an agent who brings a bill of divorce in Eretz Yisrael, and the agent became sick, this agent may send it in the possession of another agent. And the Gemara raises a contradiction from a mishna (66a): If the husband said to two people: Give a bill of divorce to my wife, or if he said to three people: Write a bill of divorce and give it to my wife, then these people should write it and give it. The Gemara infers from the mishna: They themselves, yes, they should do so, but one whom they appoint as an agent may not do so.

״כתבו גט ותנו לאשתי״ – הרי אלו יכתבו ויתנו. אינהו אין, אבל שליח לא!

אמר אביי: התם טעמא מאי – משום בזיון דבעל, הכא בעל לא קפיד.

Abaye said: There, what is the reason that an agent may not be appointed? It is due to degradation of the husband, who does not want the matter to become known, and therefore they may not designate another agent. However, here, after he has already sent the bill of divorce, the husband is not particular that word not spread, and therefore the agent may designate another agent in his place.

רבא אמר: משום דמילי נינהו, ומילי לא מימסרן לשליח.

Rava said: There is a different reason that in the case of the mishna (66a) the agent may not appoint another to write the bill of divorce; it is because of the fact that in the case there, the husband’s instructions are mere words, and verbal directives cannot be delegated to an agent, i.e., an agent cannot be deputized to give instructions on behalf of another. Therefore, they cannot take their oral instructions and transfer them to another. In the case of the mishna here, the agent is able to give the physical bill of divorce to another agent and thereby transfer his agency.

מאי בינייהו? איכא בינייהו שליח מתנה; ובפלוגתא דרב ושמואל – רב אמר: מתנה אינה כגט. ושמואל אמר: מתנה הרי היא כגט.

The Gemara asks: What is the difference between the explanations offered by Abaye and Rava? The Gemara answers: There is a practical difference between them in the case of an agent appointed to write a deed of a gift, and their disagreement is parallel to the dispute of Rav and Shmuel. Rav says: A deed of gift is not like a bill of divorce, as the gift giver does not care who writes the deed. Since it is not degrading to him if another agent writes the deed of gift instead of the agent that he appointed, the agent may appoint another agent. And Shmuel says: A deed of gift is like a bill of divorce, as the mere words instructing the agent to write the deed cannot be transferred to another agent.

ואם אמר לו ״טול לי הימנה חפץ פלוני״. אמר ריש לקיש: כאן שנה רבי: אין השואל רשאי להשאיל, ואין השוכר רשאי להשכיר.

§ The mishna teaches: But if the husband said to the agent: When you transmit the bill of divorce to my wife, take for me such and such an item from her, then the agent may not appoint a second agent, as it is not the desire of the husband that his deposit be in the possession of another. Reish Lakish says: Here, Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi taught that a borrower is not allowed to lend the item that he borrowed to someone else, and a renter is not allowed to rent out the item that he rented to someone else. In those cases, the same reasoning applies, i.e., that it is not the desire of the owner that his item be in the possession of another.

אמר לו רבי יוחנן: זו, אפילו תינוקות של בית רבן יודעים אותה! אלא זימנין דגיטא נמי לא הוי – דנעשה כמי שאמר לו ״אל תגרשה אלא בבית״,

Rabbi Yoḥanan said to him: Even schoolchildren know this halakha, and this is not the novel idea expressed in the mishna. The novel idea expressed in the mishna is as follows: Not only is it not permitted for an agent to appoint another agent in this case, as it violates the desire of the husband, but sometimes it happens that the bill of divorce is also not valid if a second agent is appointed. This is because the first agent becomes as one that it was said to him: Divorce her only in the house, and he divorced her in the attic; or the husband said: Divorce her only with your right hand, and he divorced her with his left hand. Here as well, since the agent violated the instructions the divorce will not be valid.

וגירשה בעלייה; ״אל תגרשה אלא בימין״, וגירשה בשמאל.

דכולי עלמא, היכא דנפקה לאפיה ויהבה ליה חפץ, והדר שקלה מיניה גיטא; כולי עלמא לא פליגי דגיטא – גיטא מעליא הוי. כי פליגי היכא דאמר ליה:

The Gemara elaborates: Everyone agrees that when it happens that the wife went out to greet him and gave him the item that the husband requested, and then she took the bill of divorce from him, in this case everyone agrees that the bill of divorce is a proper bill of divorce. When they disagree is in a case when the husband said to the agent:

שקול מינה חפץ והדר הב לה גיטא; ואזל איהו ויהב לה גיטא, והדר שקל מינה חפץ. רבי יוחנן פוסל בו, וכל שכן בשלוחו, וריש לקיש מכשיר בשלוחו,

Take an item from her and then give her the bill of divorce, and he went and gave her the bill of divorce and then took the item from her. Rabbi Yoḥanan invalidates the bill of divorce even when given by the first agent, as he deviated from the husband’s instructions, and his agency is canceled, and all the more so does Rabbi Yoḥanan invalidate the bill of divorce when delivered by the first agent’s agent. And Reish Lakish deems the bill of divorce valid when it is delivered by the first agent’s agent, and all the more so when it is delivered by the first agent himself.

וכל שכן בו.

מתני׳ המביא גט ממדינת הים, וחלה – עושה שליח בבית דין ומשלחו, ואומר לפניהם: ״בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם״; ואין שליח אחרון

MISHNA: With regard to an agent who is bringing a bill of divorce from a country overseas, who must attest to the fact that he witnessed the writing and signing of the bill of divorce, and he became sick and cannot complete his agency, he appoints another agent in court and sends him. And the first agent says before the court: It was written in my presence and it was signed in my presence, and on the basis of this the court deems the bill of divorce to be valid. And the final agent does not need to say: It was written in my presence and it was signed in my presence. Rather, it is sufficient that he says: I am an agent of the court.

צריך שיאמר ״בפני נכתב ובפני נחתם״, אלא אומר: שליח בית דין אני.

גמ׳ אמרו ליה רבנן לאבימי בריה דרבי אבהו: בעי מיניה מרבי אבהו, שליח דשליח משוי שליח, או לא? אמר להו: הא לא תיבעי לכו, מדקתני ״אין השליח האחרון״,

GEMARA: The Sages said to Avimei, son of Rabbi Abbahu: Raise the following dilemma before your father, Rabbi Abbahu: Can an agent of the first agent also appoint another agent, or not? He said to them: You should not raise this dilemma. From the fact that the mishna teaches: The final agent does not need to say, as opposed to: The second agent does not need to say, it can be seen by inference that the second agent can appoint an agent, resulting in the existence of a final agent, not just a second agent.

מכלל דמשוי שליח;

אלא כי תיבעי לכו: כי משוי שליח – בבית דין, או אפילו שלא בבית דין? אמרו ליה: הא לא מבעיא לן, מדקתני: אלא אומר ״שליח בית דין אני״.

Rather, when you raise the dilemma, this is what you should ask: When the second agent appoints another agent, does he need to appoint him specifically in court, or can he do so even while not in court? They said to him: We do not raise this dilemma, as from the fact that it teaches: Rather, he says: I am an agent of the court, it is clear that any agent in this role must be appointed in court.

רב נחמן בר יצחק מתני הכי: אמרו ליה רבנן לאבימי בריה דרבי אבהו, בעי מיניה מרבי אבהו: שליח דשליח, כי משוי שליח – בבית דין,

The Gemara cites another version of the discussion. Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak would teach like this: The Sages said to Avimei, son of Rabbi Abbahu: Raise the following dilemma before your father, Rabbi Abbahu: When the agent of the first agent appoints another agent, does he need to appoint him specifically in court, or can he do so even while not in court?

או שלא בבית דין?

אמר להו: ותיבעי לכו אי משוי שליח בעלמא! אמרו ליה: הא לא קא מיבעיא לן, דתנן: ״אין השליח האחרון״, מכלל דשליח משוי שליח; אלא כי קא

He said to them: And you should raise the dilemma as to whether generally the agent of the first agent can appoint another agent. They said to him: We do not raise this dilemma, as we learned in the mishna: The final agent does not need to say, and by inference it can be seen that the second agent can appoint an agent. Rather, when the dilemma was raised to us, it was with respect to whether this must take place in court, or if it can take place while not in court. He said to them: You should also not raise this dilemma, as the mishna teaches: Rather, he says: I am an agent of the court, which shows that the subsequent appointments must take place in court.

מיבעיא לן – בבית דין, או שלא בבית דין? אמר להו: הא נמי לא תיבעי לכו, דקתני: אלא אומר ״שליח בית דין אני״.

אמר רבה: שליח בארץ ישראל, עושה כמה שלוחין. אמר רב אשי: אם מת ראשון – בטלו כולן.

§ Rabba says: An agent in Eretz Yisrael can appoint several agents, i.e., he can appoint an agent, and the second agent can appoint another agent in his place. All of this can take place outside of court, because when a bill of divorce is sent within Eretz Yisrael there is no need to testify that it was written and signed in the agent’s presence. Rav Ashi says: If the first agent died, then they are all canceled, as all the agents act on the basis of the first agent. With his death, the agency is canceled.

אמר מר בר רב אשי: הא דאבא, דקטנותא היא! אילו מת בעל, מידי מששא אית בהו?! כולהו מכח מאן קאתו – מכח דבעל

Mar bar Rav Ashi said: This statement of my father is from the time of his youth, and it is not correct, as, if the husband dies, even if all of the agents are alive, is there is any significance to any of them? All of them, from whose authority do they come to deliver the bill of divorce? They come from the husband’s authority. Therefore, if the husband is alive, then they are all able to act as agents; if the husband is not alive, then they are all not agents. The status of the agents is dependent on the husband, not on the first agent.

קאתו; איתיה לבעל – איתנהו לכולהו, ליתיה לבעל – ליתנהו לכולהו.

ההוא גברא דשדר לה גיטא לדביתהו, אמר שליח: לא ידענא לה, אמר ליה: זיל יהביה לאבא בר מניומי, דאיהו ידע לה, וליזיל וליתביה ניהלה.

§ The Gemara relates: There was an incident involving a certain man who sent a bill of divorce to his wife with an agent. The agent said: I do not know her. The husband said to him: Go give the bill of divorce to Abba bar Minyumi, as he knows her, and he will go and give it to her. The agent came and did not find Abba bar Minyumi, and he did not know what to do. He found Rabbi Abbahu and Rabbi Ḥanina bar Pappa and Rabbi Yitzḥak Nappaḥa, and Rav Safra was sitting among them. The agent asked them what he should do. The first three Sages said to him: Transfer your words, i.e., your agency, before us, as when Abba bar Minyumi comes, we will give the bill of divorce to him, and he will go and give it to her.

אתא ולא אשכח לאבא בר מניומי. אשכחיה לרבי אבהו ורבי חנינא בר פפא ורבי יצחק נפחא, ויתיב רב ספרא גבייהו. אמרו ליה: מסור מילך קמי דידן,

דכי ייתי אבא בר מניומי ניתביניה ליה, וליזיל וליתביניה לה.

אמר להו רב ספרא: והא שליח שלא ניתן לגירושין הוא! איכסופו.

Rav Safra said to them: But isn’t he an agent who is not granted the ability to effect divorce, as he was given only the authority to transfer the bill of divorce to Abba bar Minyumi? Therefore, he cannot transfer the agency to another person. These Sages were embarrassed that they ruled improperly.

אמר רבא: קפחינהו רב ספרא לתלתא רבנן סמוכי. אמר רב אשי: במאי קפחינהו? מי קאמר ליה ״אבא בר מניומי ולא את״?!

Rava said: Rav Safra struck [kappeḥinhu] a blow to three ordained Sages, as although he was from Babylonia and not ordained, he was correct. Rav Ashi said: With what did he strike them? He did not conclusively refute their opinion, as, did the husband say to the agent: Abba bar Minyumi should deliver the bill of divorce and not you? Rather, he appointed this agent to deliver the bill of divorce, and added that if he cannot find the wife, then he can transfer the bill of divorce to Abba bar Minyumi.

איכא דאמרי, אמר רבא: קפחינהו רב ספרא לתלתא רבנן סמוכי, בטעותא. אמר רב אשי: מאי טעותא? מאי קא אמר ליה: ״אבא בר מניומי״ – ולא את!

The Gemara cites another version of the discussion: There are those who say that Rava said: Rav Safra struck three ordained Sages mistakenly. Rav Ashi questioned Rava and said: What was the mistake? After all, what did the husband say to the agent? He said that Abba bar Minyumi should give his wife the bill of divorce, meaning that he and not you should give it, and Rav Safra’s ruling was correct.

ההוא גברא דשדר לה גיטא לדביתהו, אמר ליה לשליח: לא תיתביה ניהלה עד תלתין יומין. אתניס בגו תלתין יומין.

The Gemara relates a similar incident: There was an incident involving a certain man who sent a bill of divorce to his wife with an agent. He said to the agent: Do not give the bill of divorce to her until thirty days have passed. Circumstances occurred within the thirty days that were beyond the agent’s control, and he saw that he would not be able to wait and give the wife the bill of divorce after thirty days, as per the husband’s instructions.

אתא לקמיה דרבא, אמר רבא: חלה טעמא מאי – משום דאנוס, האי נמי [הא אניס] (אנוס הוא). אמר ליה: מסור מילך קמי דידן, דלבתר תלתין יומין משוינן שליח,

The agent came before Rava and asked what he should do. Rava said: What is the reason that the mishna permits an agent who became sick to appoint another agent in his place? It is because he is a victim of circumstances beyond his control, and in the case of this one as well, he is a victim of circumstances beyond his control. Rava said to the agent: Transfer your words, i.e., your agency, before us and we will serve as a court, so that after thirty days we will appoint an agent and he will give the bill of divorce to her. The Sages said to Rava: But isn’t he an agent who is not granted the ability to effect divorce, as within the thirty days he does not have the authority to divorce her? He said to them: Since it is so that after thirty days he is able to divorce her, he is considered an agent who is granted the ability to effect divorce.

ויהיב ליה ניהלה. אמרו ליה רבנן לרבא: והא שליח שלא ניתן לגירושין הוא! אמר להו: כיון דלבתר תלתין יומין מצי מגרש, כשליח שניתן לגירושין הוא.

וליחוש שמא פייס! מי לא תנן: ״מעכשיו – אם לא באתי מכאן ועד שנים עשר חדש״, ומת בתוך שנים עשר חדש – הרי זה גט.

The Sages challenged Rava again: But in any case where an agent does not deliver a bill of divorce immediately, let there be a concern that perhaps the husband was mollified and decided not to divorce his wife, thereby canceling the bill of divorce. Didn’t we learn in a mishna (76b): If, before traveling, a husband gives his wife a bill of divorce and says that it takes effect from now if I do not arrive from now until twelve months have passed, and he died within the twelve months, then this is a valid bill of divorce?

והוינן בה: וניחוש שמא פייס! ואמר רבה בר רב הונא, הכי אמר אבא מרי משמיה דרב: באומר ״נאמנת עלי לומר שלא באתי״!

And we discussed this halakha: And let there be a concern that perhaps the husband was mollified and decided not to divorce his wife, and canceled the bill of divorce. And Rabba bar Rav Huna said: This is what my father, my master, Rav Huna, said in the name of Rav: The mishna is referring to a case where the husband says: My wife is deemed credible to say that I did not arrive. Since the husband abrogated his right to contest the validity of the divorce by granting absolute credibility to his wife, there is no concern that he may have canceled the bill of divorce, as even if he were to claim that he had done so, his claim would not be accepted. By contrast, in this incident, where the wife was never granted such credibility, there is a concern that perhaps he canceled the bill of divorce.

איכסיף. לסוף איגלאי מילתא דארוסה הואי. אמר רבא: אם אמרו בנשואה – יאמרו בארוסה?!

Rava was embarrassed that he ruled incorrectly. Ultimately, the matter was revealed that this woman was the husband’s betrothed and that they had not married. Rava said: If they said that there is a concern with regard to a married woman that perhaps he was mollified, would they say the same with regard to a betrothed woman, whom he does not know well? Therefore, my ruling was correct.

אמר רבא: הא ודאי קא מיבעיא לן –

Rava said: We certainly raise this dilemma: