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Eruvin 102

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Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Eruvin daf 102 (מסכת עירובין דף קב), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.

בשאינו ניטל באיגדו, דמר סבר: כיון דיש בראשו גלוסטרא — תורת כלי עליו. ומר סבר: כיון דאינו ניטל באיגדו — לא. מתני׳ נגר הנגרר — נועלין בו במקדש, אבל לא…

The same discussion elsewhere in Shas

Eruvin 102: the daf with times in the shiur

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▶ 0:36

בשאינו ניטל באיגדו, דמר סבר: כיון דיש בראשו גלוסטרא — תורת כלי עליו. ומר סבר: כיון דאינו ניטל באיגדו — לא.

it is in a case where it cannot be picked up by its rope, as it is too thin to bear the weight of the bolt. As this Sage, Rabbi Yosei, maintains: Since it has a knob at its end, it has the status of a vessel, and one is therefore permitted to secure the door with it. And this Sage, Rabbi Eliezer, maintains: Since it cannot be picked up by its rope, no, it is not considered a proper vessel merely because of the knob, and consequently, its use is prohibited on Shabbat.

▶ 2:01

מתני׳ נגר הנגרר — נועלין בו במקדש, אבל לא במדינה.

MISHNA: With regard to a bolt that is attached to the door, but owing to the length of the rope, it does not hang from the door but drags along the ground, one may lock a door with it in the Temple on Shabbat, as this is prohibited only by rabbinic decree, issued to enhance the character of Shabbat as a day of rest, and rabbinic decrees are not in effect in the Temple. However, one may not lock a door with this bolt in the country outside the Temple.

▶ 2:24

והמונח כאן וכאן — אסור. רבי יהודה אומר: המונח מותר במקדש, והנגרר במדינה.

And with regard to one that is not tied at all but rests entirely on the ground, it is prohibited in both places, in and outside the Temple, as the use of this bolt is considered building. Rabbi Yehuda says: One that rests entirely on the ground is permitted in the Temple, and one that drags along the ground is permitted even in the rest of the country.

▶ 5:10

גמ׳ תנו רבנן: איזהו נגר הנגרר שנועלין במקדש אבל לא במדינה — כל שקשור ותלוי, וראשו אחד מגיע לארץ. רבי יהודה אומר: זה אף במדינה מותר,

GEMARA: The Sages taught in a baraita: Which is the bolt that drags along the ground with which one may lock a door on Shabbat in the Temple but not in the rest of the country? Any that is tied to the door and suspended from it, while one end of the bolt reaches the ground. Rabbi Yehuda says: This type of bolt is permitted even in the rest of the country. Rather, which is the bolt with which one may lock a door in the Temple but not in the rest of the country? Any that is neither tied to the door nor suspended from it, but which one removes after use and places in a corner.

▶ 5:51

אלא איזהו נגר שנועלין במקדש אבל לא במדינה — כל שאינו לא קשור ולא תלוי, ושומטו ומניחו בקרן זוית.

▶ 6:23

אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל: הלכה כרבי יהודה בנגרר.

Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda with regard to a bolt that is dragged. It is permitted to use this bolt on Shabbat even outside the Temple, but it is prohibited to use a bolt that rests on the ground, even in the Temple.

▶ 7:41

אמר רבא: והוא שקשור בדלת. איני?! והא רבי טבלא איקלע למחוזא, וחזא לההוא דהוה תלי בעיברא דדשא ולא אמר להו ולא מידי? ההוא ניטל באיגדו הוה.

Rava said: And that is the case only if the bolt is tied to the door itself. The Gemara is surprised by this ruling: Is that really so? But didn’t Rabbi Tavla happen to come to Meḥoza and he saw a certain bolt that was suspended from the side of the door, and he did not say anything to the people there with regard to a prohibition? The Gemara rejects this contention: That bolt was one that could be picked up by its rope. Everyone agrees that a bolt of this kind may be used for locking a door on Shabbat even if it is not tied to the door itself.

▶ 8:57

רב אויא איקלע לנהרדעא, חזייה לההוא גברא דהוה קא קטיר בגמי. אמר: דין לא נטרוק.

The Gemara relates that Rav Avya once happened to come to Neharde’a and saw a certain person tying a bolt to a door with a reed. He said: This door may not be locked on Shabbat, as the bolt is not adequately fastened to it.

▶ 10:16

בעי רבי זירא: נקמז, מהו? אמר רב יוסף: מאי תיבעי ליה? לא שמיע ליה הא דתניא: נשמט — אסור, נקמז — מותר. ורבי יהודה אמר: נקמז,

Rabbi Zeira raised the following dilemma: If the bolt was pressed into the ground through a hole in the threshold, what is the halakha? Is the use of this bolt considered building? Rav Yosef said: What is Rabbi Zeira’s dilemma? Has he not heard that which was taught in the Tosefta: If the bolt was altogether detached from the rope to which it had been tied, it is prohibited; but if it was pressed into the ground, it is permitted; and Rabbi Yehuda said: If it was pressed into the ground, even though it was not entirely detached from its rope, it is prohibited?

▶ 10:50

אף על פי שאינו נשמט — אסור.

▶ 11:01

ואמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל: הלכה כרבי יהודה בנקמז. וטעמא מאי? אמר אביי: משום דמיחזי כבונה.

And Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda with regard to a bolt that was pressed into the ground. The Gemara asks: And what is the reason that the Sages prohibited the use of a bolt that was pressed into the ground? Abaye said: They prohibited its use because it appears like building, as the bolt enters all the way into the ground.

▶ 11:33

בעא מיניה רב נחומי בר זכריה מאביי: עשה לו בית יד, מהו? אמר ליה: בוכנא קאמרת. איתמר, אמר רב נחומי בר אדא: עשה לו בית יד — מותר.

Rav Neḥumei bar Zekharya raised a dilemma before Abaye: If one produced a handle for the bolt in order to hold it, but it was not tied to the door, what is the halakha? Abaye said to him: A pestle, you say? If it has a handle it is a proper utensil, which may be freely used according to all opinions. This teaching was stated also in the form of a direct statement: Rav Neḥumei bar Adda said: If he produced a handle for the bolt, it is permitted.

▶ 12:38

ההוא שריתא דהוה בי רבי פדת דהוה מדלו לה בי עשרה ושדו לה אדשא, ולא אמר להו ולא מידי. אמר — תורת כלי עליה.

The Gemara relates that there was a certain cross beam in the house of Rabbi Pedat that was so heavy it took ten people to lift it, and they would place it against the door at night in order to secure it. And Rabbi Pedat did not say anything to them with regard to a possible prohibition. He said: I permit it because it has the status of a utensil. It appears like a utensil and it serves a distinct purpose; therefore, it may be used on Shabbat.

▶ 13:44

ההיא אסיתא דהות בי מר שמואל דהוה מחזקת אדריבא, שרא מר שמואל למישדייה אדשא. אמר — תורת כלי עליה.

The Gemara further relates that there was a certain mortar in the house of Mar Shmuel that had a capacity of an adriva, which is equal to half a kor. Mar Shmuel permitted them to place it against the door to secure it. He said: It falls into the halakhic category of a utensil, and it may therefore be used to secure the door, as this is not regarded as building.

▶ 14:32

שלח ליה רמי בר יחזקאל לרב עמרם: נימא לן מר מהלין מילי מעלייתא דאמרת לן משמיה דרב אסי בכיפי דארבא. שלח ליה, הכי אמר רב אסי:

Rami bar Yeḥezkel sent a request to Rav Amram: Let the Master tell us some of those outstanding matters that you told us in the name of Rav Asi with regard to the arches of a boat upon which mats are draped as protection against the elements. Rav Amram sent back to him that Rav Asi said as follows: With regard to the arches of a boat, when they are a handbreadth wide, or even if they are not a handbreadth wide but there is less than three handbreadths between them, in which case the intervening space is regarded as filled in based on the principle of lavud, on the following day, i.e., on Shabbat, one may bring a mat and spread it over them.

▶ 16:18

הני כיפי דארבא בזמן שיש בהן טפח, אי נמי אין בהן טפח ואין בין זה לזה שלשה — למחר מביא מחצלת ופורס עליהן.

▶ 17:18

מאי טעמא — מוסיף על אהל עראי הוא, ושפיר דמי.

What is the reason for this leniency? The reason is that this is considered adding to a temporary tent, and therefore one may well spread a mat over the arches. They themselves constitute a tent. Therefore, one who spreads a mat over them is merely adding to the temporary tent.

▶ 17:54

הנהו דכרי דהוו ליה לרב הונא, דביממא בעו טולא ובליליא בעו אוירא. אתא לקמיה דרב.

The Gemara further relates that Rav Huna had certain rams that required shade during the day and required air at night. He therefore sought a way for the pen to be covered by day but not at night, even on Shabbat. He came before Rav to seek his advice.

▶ 19:00

אמר ליה: זיל כרוך בודייא, ושייר בה טפח, למחר פשטה ומוסיף על אהל עראי הוא, ושפיר דמי.

Rav said to him: Go, roll up the mats [budeya] that were spread out there for shade, but leave one handbreadth covered. On the following day, unroll the entire mat, which is considered adding to a temporary tent and which is permitted.

▶ 19:43

אמר רב משום רבי חייא: וילון מותר לנטותו ומותר לפורקו בשבת.

Rav said in the name of Rabbi Ḥiyya: With regard to a curtain put up for privacy, one is permitted to spread it out, and one is also permitted to dismantle it on Shabbat. As it is not a tent but merely a temporary wall, akin to a door, one does not violate a prohibition if it is not fixed firmly in place.

▶ 22:23

כילת חתנים מותר לפורקה ולנטותה בשבת. אמר רב ששת בריה דרב אידי: לא אמרן אלא שאין בגגה טפח, אבל יש בגגה טפח — אסור.

With regard to a bridal canopy, a curtain that is suspended over a bed and inclines outward in both directions, it is permitted both to dismantle it and to spread it on Shabbat. Rav Sheshet, son of Rav Idi, said: We said that this is permitted only where the curtain extends over the bed and falls on both sides in such a manner that the top of the curtain, the apex of the canopy, is less than a handbreadth wide. However, if its top is a handbreadth wide, i.e., if the curtain does not rise to a sharp point but extends horizontally for a handbreadth, after which it falls to the side, this handbreadth is regarded as a tent and is therefore prohibited.

▶ 22:34

וכי אין בגגה טפח, לא אמרן אלא שאין בפחות משלשה סמוך לגג טפח, אבל יש בפחות משלשה סמוך לגג טפח — אסור.

And even where its horizontal top is not a handbreadth wide, we said this leniency only if its width is less than a handbreadth within three handbreadths from its top. However, if its width is a handbreadth within three handbreadths from its top, this handbreadth is considered a tent and it is therefore prohibited to spread it on Shabbat.

▶ 23:22

וכי אין בפחות משלשה סמוך לגג טפח נמי, לא אמרן אלא שאין

And even where it is less than a handbreadth wide within three handbreadths of its top, we said this leniency only where

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▶ 23:32

בשיפועה טפח, אבל יש בשיפועה טפח — שיפועי אהלים כאהלים דמו.

its incline does not extend a handbreadth from the center to each side. However, if its incline extends a handbreadth from the center to the side, the halakha is that the inclines of tents are considered like tents, and it is therefore prohibited to suspend them.

▶ 25:37

ואמר רב שישא בריה דרב אידי: סיינא — שרי. והתניא אסור! לא קשיא: הא — דאית ביה טפח, הא — דלית ביה טפח.

And Rav Sheisha, son of Rav Idi, said: With regard to a stiff felt hat [sayna], it is permitted to wear it on Shabbat. The Gemara raises a difficulty: But wasn’t it taught in a baraita that wearing this hat is prohibited? The Gemara answers: It is not difficult. This baraita, which prohibits wearing a felt hat, is referring to a case where the hat extends a handbreadth from the person’s head and is therefore regarded as a tent; whereas that statement by Rav Sheisha, who permits doing so, is referring to a case where it does not extend a handbreadth from one’s head.

▶ 26:17

אלא מעתה: שרביב בגלימיה טפח, הכי נמי דאסור?

The Gemara is surprised at this answer: But if that is so, one who pulled his cloak a handbreadth beyond his head, is it also prohibited for him to do so? This is unreasonable, as it is an article of clothing, not a tent.

▶ 29:57

אלא, לא קשיא: הא — דמיהדק, הא — דלא מיהדק.

Rather, the previous explanation must be rejected, as the issue with regard to a felt hat is not whether it is considered a tent, but whether there is concern that one might come to carry it in the public domain if it falls from his head. This is not difficult; this statement of Rav Sheisha, which permits it, is referring to a case where the hat fits snugly on his head. There is no concern lest the hat fall and one will come to carry it; therefore it is permitted to wear it. Conversely, that baraita, which prohibits wearing this hat, is referring to a case where it does not fit snugly on his head. It is therefore liable to fall, and one might come to carry it in the public domain.

▶ 31:47

מתני׳ מחזירין ציר התחתון במקדש, אבל לא במדינה. והעליון — כאן וכאן אסור. רבי יהודה אומר: העליון — במקדש, והתחתון — במדינה.

MISHNA: One may restore the lower hinge pin of the door of a carriage, box, or cupboard that becomes dislocated to its place on Shabbat in the Temple, as this action is prohibited by rabbinic decree, which is not in effect in the Temple; but it may not be restored to its place in the rest of the country. And restoring the upper hinge pin is prohibited in both places, as this is considered building, a labor prohibited by Torah law, which applies everywhere. Rabbi Yehuda says: Restoring the upper hinge pin to its place is permitted in the Temple, while one may restore the lower one to its place even in the rest of the country.

▶ 34:33

גמ׳ תנו רבנן: ציר דלת שידה תיבה ומגדל, במקדש — מחזירין, במדינה — דוחקין. והעליון — כאן וכאן לא יחזיר, גזרה שמא יתקע. ואם תקע — חייב חטאת.

GEMARA: The Sages taught a baraita: With regard to the lower hinge pin of the door of a carriage, box, or cupboard, one may restore it to its place in the Temple; in the rest of the country one may only push it back into place, provided that it did not come out of its socket entirely. As for the upper hinge, one may not restore it in either place. This is prohibited as a preventive measure, lest one come to bang it in forcefully, thereby performing an actual labor prohibited by Torah law. And if he actually banged it in, he is liable to bring a sin-offering, as his action is considered building.

▶ 36:34

של בור ושל דות ושל יציע — לא יחזיר, ואם החזיר חייב חטאת.

With regard to the hinge pin of the door of a pit, cistern, or an extension to a building, one may not restore it to its place at all. And if one restored it to its place, he is liable to bring a sin-offering. The above distinction applies only to movable utensils, whereas anything attached to the ground may certainly not be fixed in place, as this is regarded as prohibited building.

▶ 37:18

מתני׳ מחזירין רטיה במקדש, אבל לא במדינה. אם בתחילה — כאן וכאן אסור.

MISHNA: One may return to its place a bandage that became detached from a wound on Shabbat in the Temple. In the Temple, this is not prohibited as a preventive measure, lest one come to spread the ointment and thereby perform the prohibited labor of smoothing. However, one may not return a bandage to its place in the rest of the country. If one sought to apply the bandage for the first time to an untreated wound on Shabbat, it is prohibited in both places.

▶ 42:08

גמ׳ תנו רבנן: רטיה שפרשה מעל גבי מכה — מחזירין בשבת. רבי יהודה אומר: הוחלקה למטה — דוחקה למעלה, למעלה — דוחקה למטה,

GEMARA: The Sages taught a baraita: With regard to a bandage that became detached from a wound, one may return it to its place on Shabbat in all cases. Rabbi Yehuda says: If it slipped downward, one may push it upward; if it slipped upward, one may push it downward. One may also uncover part of the bandage and clean the opening of the wound on one side, and then uncover another part of the bandage on the other side and clean the opening of the wound on that side.

▶ 43:13

ומגלה מקצת הרטיה ומקנח פי המכה, וחוזר ומגלה מקצת רטיה ומקנח פי המכה.

▶ 43:29

ורטיה עצמה לא יקנח, מפני שהוא ממרח. ואם מירח — חייב חטאת.

However, one may not clean the bandage itself, because that would involve spreading the ointment, which is a subcategory of the prohibited labor of smoothing, and if one spread the ointment he is liable to bring a sin-offering. Actually restoring a bandage that was completely detached from the wound is prohibited in all cases.

▶ 43:44

אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל: הלכה כרבי יהודה. אמר רב חסדא: לא שנו אלא שפירשה על גבי כלי, אבל פירשה על גבי קרקע — דברי הכל אסור.

Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. Rav Ḥisda said: The Sages taught that it is permitted to restore the bandage to the wound only where it became detached and fell onto a utensil, in which case one may immediately pick it up and replace it. However, if it became detached and fell onto the ground, everyone agrees it is prohibited, as this is considered as though one were bandaging the wound for the first time.

▶ 44:46

אמר מר בר רב אשי: הוה קאימנא קמיה אבא, נפלה ליה אבי סדיא, וקא מהדר ליה. אמינא ליה: לא סבר לה מר להא דאמר רב חסדא:

Mar bar Rav Ashi said: I was standing before Father, and his bandage fell onto a pillow and he replaced it. I said to him: Doesn’t the Master hold that which Rav Ḥisda said: The dispute is restricted to a case where the bandage became detached and fell onto a utensil, but if it became detached and fell onto the ground, everyone agrees that it is prohibited; and furthermore, Shmuel said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda, that it is prohibited to replace even a bandage that fell onto a utensil?

▶ 45:10

מחלוקת שפירשה על גבי כלי, אבל פירשה על גבי קרקע — אסור, ואמר שמואל: הלכה כרבי יהודה!

▶ 45:33

אמר לי: לא שמיע לי, כלומר לא סבירא לי.

He said to me: I did not hear this teaching; that is to say, I do not agree with Rav Ḥisda’s interpretation that the dispute is only in a case where the bandage fell onto a utensil. Rather, they disagree even if it fell onto the ground, and the halakha is that the bandage may be restored to the wound.

▶ 45:51

מתני׳ קושרין נימא במקדש, אבל לא במדינה. ואם בתחילה — כאן וכאן אסור.

MISHNA: One may tie up on Shabbat a string [nima] that came loose from a harp used in the Temple, but not in the rest of the country. And tying the string to the harp for the first time is prohibited both here and there.

▶ 47:47

גמ׳ ורמינהו: נימת כנור שנפסקה — לא היה קושרה אלא עונבה! לא קשיא: הא — רבנן, והא — רבי אליעזר.

GEMARA: And the Gemara raises a contradiction from a baraita: If a harp string broke, one would not tie it up with a knot, but fashion a bow. This teaching indicates that tying up a harp string is prohibited even in the Temple. The Gemara answers: It is not difficult; this baraita, which prohibits tying, was taught in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis; and that mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Eliezer.

▶ 48:27

לרבי אליעזר דאמר מכשירי מצוה דוחין את השבת, קושרה. לרבנן דאמרי אין דוחין, עונבה.

The Gemara clarifies this answer: According to Rabbi Eliezer, who said that the preparations that enable the performance of a mitzva override the prohibitions of Shabbat, one may tie even the broken harp string, as this is for the purpose of the mitzva of accompanying the Temple service with music. However, according to the Rabbis, who say that preparations for a mitzva do not override Shabbat prohibitions, one may only fashion a bow.

▶ 50:55

אי רבי אליעזר, אפילו לכתחילה נמי!

The Gemara raises a difficulty: If in fact the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Eliezer, who permits facilitating performance of a mitzva even when it involves desecration of Shabbat, even in a case where the string did not break and one is tying it for the first time, this too should be permitted, as he is acting for the purpose of a mitzva.

▶ 51:33

אלא, לא קשיא: הא — רבי יהודה, והא — רבנן.

Rather, the Gemara provides a different resolution of the contradiction: It is not difficult. This, the mishna that permits tying the broken string, was taught in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda, who maintains that making a bow is considered tying, and there is no difference between the two actions; and that, the baraita that prohibits it, is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, who rule that fashioning a bow is not prohibited by Torah law, and therefore it is permitted to fashion a bow.

ורבי יהודה אליבא דמאן?

The Gemara asks: And Rabbi Yehuda, in accordance with whose opinion did he express his view?