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Arachin 25דף יומי שיעור אויף אידיש · ערכין דף כה
Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Arachin daf 25 (מסכת ערכין דף כה), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.
באמצע יובל, דכל כמה דלא מליא ליה שנה לא מגרע ליה. מאי קא משמע לן, דאין מחשבין חדשים עם ההקדש? הא בהדיא קתני: ״אין מחשבין חדשים עם ההקדש!״ מה טעם…
The same discussion elsewhere in Shas
Arachin 25: the daf with times in the shiur
Tap a time to hear Rabbi Karp's explanation of that passage.
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באמצע יובל, דכל כמה דלא מליא ליה שנה לא מגרע ליה.
מאי קא משמע לן, דאין מחשבין חדשים עם ההקדש? הא בהדיא קתני: ״אין מחשבין חדשים עם ההקדש!״ מה טעם קאמר: מה טעם לא גואלין לאחר יובל פחות
משנה — משום דאין מחשבין חדשים עם ההקדש.
אין מחשבין חדשים וכו׳. תנו רבנן: מנין שאין מחשבין חדשים עם ההקדש? תלמוד לומר: ״וחשב לו הכהן את הכסף על פי השנים הנותרות״ — שנים אתה מחשב,
ואי אתה מחשב חדשים.
מניין שאם אתה רוצה לעשות חדשים לשנה עושה? היכי דמי — כגון דאקדשיה בפלגא דארבעין ותמני.
תלמוד לומר: ״וחשב לו הכהן״, מכל מקום.
מתני׳ המקדיש שדהו בשעת היובל, נותן בזרע חומר שעורים ״חמשים שקל כסף״. היו שם נקעים עמוקים עשרה טפחים, או סלעים גבוהים עשרה טפחים — אינן נמדדין עמה,
פחות מכאן — נמדדין עמה.
הקדישה שתים ושלש שנים לפני היובל — נותן סלע ופונדיון לשנה, ואם אמר: ״הריני נותן דבר שנה בשנה״ — אין שומעין לו, אלא נותן את כולו כאחד.
אחד בעלים ואחד כל האדם, מה בין בעלים לכל אדם? אלא שבעלים נותנין חומש, וכל אדם אין נותנין חומש.
גמ׳ תנא: כור זרע, ולא כור תבואה, מפולת יד, ולא מפולת שוורים. תני לוי: לא מעבה ולא מידק, אלא בינוני.
היו שם נקעים עמוקים כו׳. וליקדשו באנפי נפשייהו!
וכי תימא, כיון דלא הוו בית כור, לא (הוו) קדשי, והתניא: שדה, מה תלמוד לומר? לפי שנאמר ״זרע חומר שעורים בחמשים שקל כסף״,
אין לי אלא שהקדיש כענין הזה, מנין לרבות לתך וחצי לתך, סאה ותרקב וחצי תרקב? תלמוד לומר ״שדה״, מכל מקום!
אמר מר עוקבא בר חמא: הכא בנקעים מלאים מים, דלאו בני זריעה נינהו. דיקא נמי, דקתני דומיא דסלעים, שמע מינה.
אי הכי, פחות מכאן נמי! הנהו נגאני דארעא מיקרו, שידרי דארעא מיקרו.
הקדישה שתים ושלש וכו׳. תנו רבנן:
״ונגרע מערכך״, אף מן ההקדש, שאם אכלה הקדש שנה או שתים, אי נמי לא אכלה, אלא שהיתה לפניו — נותן סלע ופונדיון לשנה.
ואם אמר ״הריני נותן״ כו׳. תנו רבנן: מנין שאם אמרו בעלים ״הרינו נותנין דבר שנה בשנה״, שאין שומעין להם? תלמוד לומר: ״וחשב לו הכהן את הכסף״,
עד שיהא כסף כולו כאחד. אחד בעלים ואחד כל אדם, מה בין בעלים לכל אדם? שהבעלים נותנין חומש, וכל אדם אין נותנין חומש.
מתני׳ הקדישה וגאלה — אינה יוצאה מידו ביובל, גאלה בנו — יוצאה לאביו ביובל, גאלה אחר או אחד מהקרובים, וגאלה מידו — יוצאה לכהנים ביובל.
גאלה אחד מן הכהנים, והרי היא תחת ידו, לא יאמר: הואיל והיא יוצאה לכהנים ביובל והרי היא תחת ידי — הרי היא שלי,
אלא יוצאה מתחת ידו ומתחלקת לכל אחיו הכהנים.
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גמ׳ תנו רבנן:
GEMARA: The mishna teaches that if one consecrated his ancestral field and his son redeemed it from the Temple treasury, the field returns to the original owner when the Jubilee arrives. By contrast, if another person redeemed it, the field is transferred to the priests during the Jubilee Year. With regard to this matter, the Sages taught a baraita analyzing the verse: “And if he will not redeem the field, or if he sold the field to another man, it shall not be redeemed anymore. But the field, when it goes out in the Jubilee, shall be holy for the Lord, as a dedicated field; his ancestral possession shall be for the priest” (Leviticus 27:20–21).
״אם לא יגאל את השדה״ — בעלים, ״ואם מכר את השדה״ — גיזבר.
The phrase “and if he will not redeem the field” is referring to a case where the owner did not redeem it and it remained in the possession of the Temple treasury, and the phrase “or if he sold the field” is referring to a situation where the Temple treasurer sold it to another person. The verse indicates that in both of these instances, possession of the field goes to the priests.
״לאיש אחר״ — לאחר, ולא לבן. אתה אומר: לאחר ולא לבן, או אינו אלא לאחר ולא לאח? כשהוא אומר ״איש״ — הרי אח אמור,
The baraita continues: “To another man,” indicates that the field is transferred to the priests during the Jubilee Year only if it had been sold to another, and not to the son of the one who consecrated it. The baraita asks: Do you say that the verse is referring to another and not to his son? Or perhaps the verse means only that it was sold to another and not to his brother? The baraita rejects this suggestion: When it says: “Man,” the brother is stated, i.e., he is included in the category of a man. How do I realize the meaning of: “Another man”? It must mean: Another, but not his son.
הא מה אני מקיים ״אחר״ — ולא לבן.
ומה ראית לרבות את הבן ולהוציא את האח? מרבה אני הבן, שכן קם תחת אביו ליעידה ולעבד עברי.
The baraita asks: And what did you see to include the son in the same category as the father, and to exclude the brother? The baraita answers: I include the son, as he stands in place of his father with regard to designating a Hebrew maidservant as a wife for himself, in a case where the father purchased the Hebrew maidservant and designates her as a wife for his son, which he cannot do for his brother. And he also stands in place of his father with regard to a Hebrew slave, as when one inherits a Hebrew slave from his father, the slave is obligated to serve the son and does not go free, whereas if the deceased’s brother inherits the servant, he goes free.
אדרבה, מרבה אני את האח, שכן קם תחת אחיו לייבום. כלום יש יבום אלא במקום שאין בן? הא יש בן — אין יבום.
The baraita objects: On the contrary, I should include the brother, as he stands in his brother’s place with regard to levirate marriage, which a son does not. The baraita rejects this suggestion: Is there ever a case of levirate marriage other than a case where there is no son? In a case where there is a son there is no levirate marriage. This indicates that with regard to levirate marriage as well, a son stands in place of the deceased more than a brother of the deceased.
ותיפוק ליה, דהכא תרתי, והכא חדא!
The Gemara asks: Why is it necessary to answer the question in this way? Let one derive the halakha that the son stands in place of the father, and the brother does not, from the simple fact that here, in support of extending the father’s status to the son, there are two justifications, i.e., the halakha of designation of the Hebrew maidservant and the halakha of the Hebrew slave, and there, in support of extending it to the brother, there is only one justification, i.e., the halakha of levirate marriage?
משום דעבד עברי מהאי פירכא נמי הוא דנפקא ליה: כלום יש יבום אלא במקום שאין בן?
The Gemara responds: That answer is invalid because the halakha that a son, but not a brother, stands in place of his father with regard to a Hebrew slave is not written explicitly in the Torah, but the tanna also derives it from this same refutation, namely: Is there ever a case of levirate marriage other than a case where there is no son. Without this refutation there would not be more justifications in support of extending the father’s status to the son rather than to the brother. Accordingly, this last refutation is the basis for the conclusion.
בעי רבה בר אבוה: בת מהו שתעמיד שדה לאביה? כיון דלענין יבום, בן ובת כי הדדי פטרי — מוקמה, או דילמא כיון דלענין נחלה,
§ Rabba bar Avuh raises a dilemma: If a daughter redeemed the ancestral field that her father consecrated, what is the halakha? Does she thereby preserve possession of the field for her father at the Jubilee Year, like a son? Rabba bar Avuh explains the two sides of the dilemma: Perhaps the halakha is that since with regard to levirate marriage, a son and a daughter are like one another, as both exempt their father’s widow from the obligation of levirate marriage, the daughter preserves possession of the field for her father. Or perhaps the halakha is that since with regard to inheritance, when there is a son, a daughter is considered like another person, as she does not inherit a share of her father’s estate, she does not preserve possession of the field for her father.
בת במקום בן כי אחר דמיא — לא מוקמה.
תא שמע, דתנא דבי רבי ישמעאל: כל שהוא אחר במקום בן, והא נמי במקום בן כי אחר דמיא.
The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a proof from a baraita that the school of Rabbi Yishmael taught: Anyone who is considered like another person when there is a son does not preserve possession of the field for the owner. And with regard to this, i.e., a daughter, as well, when there is a son, she is considered like another person.
בעי רבי זירא: אשה מי מעמיד לה שדה? בעל מוקים לה, שכן יורשה, או דילמא בן מוקים לה, שכן נוטל בראוי כבמוחזק? תיקו.
Rabbi Zeira raises a dilemma: If a woman consecrated her ancestral field, which of her heirs can redeem the field and thereby preserve possession of the field for her during the Jubilee Year? Can her husband preserve it for her, as he inherits from her if she dies during his lifetime? Or perhaps her son can preserve if for her, as if the son inherits from his mother, when she was not married at the time of her death, he takes in inheritance the property due to her as he does the property she possessed? There is a halakha that if someone dies and his heir is a woman who is already deceased, her son inherits that property, not her late husband. No resolution is offered, and therefore the Gemara states that the dilemma shall stand unresolved.
בעא מיניה רמי בר חמא מרב חסדא: הקדישה פחות משתי שנים לפני היובל, מהו שתצא לכהנים?
§ Rami bar Ḥama raised a dilemma before Rav Ḥisda: If one consecrated his ancestral field less than two years before the Jubilee Year and did not redeem it, what is the halakha with regard to whether or not it is to be removed from his possession during the Jubilee and given to the priests?
אמר ליה: מאי דעתיך? ״ונגרע מערכך... והיה השדה בצאתו ביובל״ — דבת גירעון — אין, דלאו בת גירעון — לא.
Rav Ḥisda said to him: What is your reasoning? Is it that since the verse states: “And a deduction shall be made from your valuation” (Leviticus 27:18), which indicates that the field is redeemed with a deduction according to the years remaining until the Jubilee Year, and the verse also states: “But the field, when it goes out in the Jubilee, shall be holy for the Lord…his ancestral possession shall be for the priest” (Leviticus 27:21), this indicates that if the field is fit for deduction, then yes, when it is not redeemed by the owner it is given to the priests at the Jubilee Year, but with regard to a field that is not fit for deduction, i.e., one consecrated less than two years before the Jubilee Year, which must be redeemed according to its full valuation (24a), no, it is not given to the priests but rather is returned to the owner?
אדרבה, ״אם לא יגאל השדה... והיה השדה בצאתו ביובל״, והאי נמי בת גאולה היא.
Rav Ḥisda responds: On the contrary, the verse states: “And if he will not redeem the field, or if he sold the field to another man, it shall not be redeemed anymore. But the field, when it goes out in the Jubilee, shall be holy for the Lord…his ancestral possession shall be for the priest” (Leviticus 27:20–21). This indicates that any field that could have been redeemed but was not redeemed becomes the possession of the priests. And this field, which was consecrated less than two years before the Jubilee Year, is also fit for redemption. Therefore, if it was not redeemed it is given to the priests.
גאלה אחד מן הכהנים כו׳. תנו רבנן: ״לכהן תהיה אחוזתו״, מה תלמוד לומר?
§ The mishna teaches: If one of the priests redeemed the field and when the Jubilee Year arrived it was in his possession, he may not say: Since it is removed from the possession of the one who redeemed it and given to the priests during the Jubilee Year, and since it is already in my possession, it is mine. Rather, the field is removed from his possession and is divided among all of his brethren, the priests. With regard to this halakha, the Sages taught in a baraita: Why must the verse state: “But the field, when it goes out in the Jubilee, shall be holy for the Lord…his ancestral possession shall be for the priest” (Leviticus 27:21)?
מנין לשדה שיוצא לכהנים ביובל, וגאלה אחד מן הכהנים, מנין שלא יאמר: ״הואיל ויוצאה לכהן, הרי תחת ידי, ותהא שלי?״ ודין הוא: בשל אחרים אני זוכה,
The baraita explains: From where is it derived, with regard to a field that was consecrated and not redeemed by the owner, and therefore was to have been removed from the possession of the owner and given to the priests during the Jubilee Year, and one of the priests redeemed it before the Jubilee, from where is it derived that he may not say: Since it is removed from the possession of the owner and given to the priest at the Jubilee, and since it is already in my possession, it should therefore be mine? And this claim is supported by a logical inference: Since in the Jubilee Year I obtain fields of others that I did not previously redeem, is it not all the more so clear that I should retain my own field that I redeemed from the Temple treasury myself?
בשל עצמי לא כל שכן?
תלמוד לומר: ״אחוזתו״, אחוזה שלו, ואין זה שלו. הא כיצד? יוצא מתחת ידו ומתחלקת לאחיו הכהנים.
Therefore, the verse states: “His ancestral possession,” which can be interpreted to mean that only his ancestral field, i.e., one that the priest inherited from his own ancestors, is automatically his, but this field is not his. How so, i.e., how is this field treated? It is removed from his possession and is divided among all of his brethren, the priests.
מתני׳ הגיע יובל ולא נגאלה, הכהנים נכנסין לתוכה ונותנין את דמיה, דברי רבי יהודה. רבי שמעון אומר: נכנסין ולא נותנין.
MISHNA: If one consecrated his ancestral field and the Jubilee Year arrived and it was not redeemed by the owner or anyone else, the priests enter into the field and give its redemption payment to the Temple treasury; this is the statement of Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Shimon says: They enter into the field, but they do not give its redemption payment to the Temple treasury.
רבי אליעזר אומר: לא נכנסין ולא נותנין, אלא נקראת ״שדה רטושין״ עד היובל השני. הגיע היובל השני ולא נגאלה, נקראת ״רטושי רטושין״ עד היובל השלישי.
Rabbi Eliezer says: The priests do not enter into the field, and they also do not give its redemption payment to the Temple treasury. Rather, the field remains in the possession of the Temple treasury, and it is called: An abandoned field, until the second Jubilee Year. If the second Jubilee arrived and it was still not redeemed, it is called: An abandoned field from among the abandoned fields, meaning one that was abandoned twice, until the third Jubilee. In any case, the priests never enter into a consecrated field during the Jubilee Year until another person redeems it first.
לעולם אין הכהנים נכנסין לתוכה עד שיגאלנה אחר.
גמ׳ מאי טעמא דרבי יהודה? גמר ״קדש״ ״קדש״ ממקדיש בית,
GEMARA: The Gemara asks: What is the reason for Rabbi Yehuda’s opinion that the priests who enter into an unredeemed consecrated field during the Jubilee Year must give its redemption payment to the Temple treasury? The Gemara answers: He derives this halakha from a verbal analogy from the word “holy” stated in reference to an ancestral field, and the word “holy” that appears with regard to one who consecrates a house.
מה להלן בדמים — אף כאן בדמים.
The Gemara explains: Just as there, with regard to one who consecrates a house, where the verse states: “And when a man shall consecrate his house to be holy for the Lord” (Leviticus 27:14), it can be redeemed from the Temple treasury only by payment of money, as the verse concludes: “As the priest shall value it, so shall it stand,” so too here, where the verse states with regard to the priests entering into an ancestral field: “But the field, when it goes out in the Jubilee, shall be holy for the Lord…his ancestral possession shall be for the priest” (Leviticus 27:21), the priests can enter the field only by payment of money.
ורבי שמעון, גמר ״קדש״ ״קדש״ מכבשי עצרת, מה להלן בחנם, אף כאן בחנם.
The Gemara asks: And what is the source for the opinion of Rabbi Shimon, who maintains that the priests are not required to give the redemption payment to the Temple treasury? The Gemara answers: He derives the halakha from the word “holy” used with regard to an ancestral field, and the word “holy” used with regard to the communal peace offering of two lambs that accompanies the two loaves on Shavuot. Just as there, with regard to the offering of two lambs, where the verse states: “They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest” (Leviticus 23:20), the lambs are given to the priests for free, as is the halakha with regard to all offerings to which members of the priesthood are entitled, so too here, the consecrated and unredeemed ancestral field is given to the priests for free.
ורבי [יהודה] נמי ניליף מכבשי עצרת! דנין קדשי בדק הבית
The Gemara asks: And as for Rabbi Yehuda, let him also derive the halakha by a verbal analogy from the two lambs brought on Shavuot. Why does he disagree with Rabbi Shimon? The Gemara answers: One derives the halakha with regard to items consecrated for Temple maintenance, such as an ancestral field,