בכורות דף כב
Bechoros 22דף יומי שיעור אויף אידיש · בכורות דף כב
Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Bechoros daf 22 (מסכת בכורות דף כב), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.
כדי לפרסמה שנפטרה מן הבכורה. למימרא דולד מעליא הוא, ואמאי אין מטמא לא במגע ולא במשא? אמר רבי יוחנן: משום ביטול ברוב נגעו בה. ואזדא רבי יוחנן לטעמיה, דאמר רבי…
The same discussion elsewhere in Shas
Bechoros 22: the daf with times in the shiur
Tap a time to hear Rabbi Karp's explanation of that passage.
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כדי לפרסמה שנפטרה מן הבכורה.
The Gemara answers: It must be buried in order to publicize that the animal is exempt from having its future offspring counted a firstborn.
למימרא דולד מעליא הוא, ואמאי אין מטמא לא במגע ולא במשא? אמר רבי יוחנן: משום ביטול ברוב נגעו בה.
The Gemara notes with regard to the ruling of the mishna that the animal is exempt from having any future offspring counted as firstborn: That is to say that the expelled mass is a full-fledged offspring. But if so, why doesn’t it impart ritual impurity, neither through physical contact nor through carrying? Rabbi Yoḥanan says: It is due to the halakhic nullification of a forbidden substance in a majority of permitted substances that the Sages touched upon it, in order to exclude it from impurity through contact or carrying. In other words, the fetus is in fact considered a full-fledged offspring, but it is does not impart impurity because it is nullified by the rest of the congealed mass.
ואזדא רבי יוחנן לטעמיה, דאמר רבי יוחנן: רבי אליעזר בן יעקב ורבי שמעון אמרו דבר אחד, רבי אליעזר בן יעקב — הא דאמרן.
The Gemara comments: And Rabbi Yoḥanan follows his line of reasoning in this regard, as Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Rabbi Eliezer ben Yaakov and Rabbi Shimon both said the same thing, i.e., they both issued rulings based on the same principle. The relevant statement of Rabbi Eliezer ben Yaakov is that which we said previously, i.e., that the expelled mass does not impart ritual impurity because the fetus is nullified by the majority.
רבי שמעון מאי היא? דתנן: השליא בבית — הבית טמא. לא שהשליא ולד, אלא שאין שליא בלא ולד. רבי שמעון אומר: ולד נימוק עד שלא יצא.
And what is the statement of Rabbi Shimon to which Rabbi Yoḥanan was referring? It is as we learned in a mishna (Nidda 18a): If a woman miscarried and the afterbirth is in the house, the house is impure. The reason is not that the afterbirth itself has the status of an offspring, but that there is no afterbirth without an offspring within it, even if it is undetected. Rabbi Shimon says: The offspring disintegrated before it emerged with the afterbirth. Consequently, the house is not rendered impure, because the disintegrated fetus is nullified by the majority.
תנן התם: אין לנפלים פתיחת הקבר, עד שיעגילו ראש כפיקה. מאי כפיקה? אמר רב הונא: כפיקה של צמר. אמר ליה חייא בר רב לרב הונא: רבי,
§ The Gemara continues discussing the ritual impurity imparted by a fetus. We learned in a mishna elsewhere (Oholot 7:4): If a fetus dies in its mother’s womb, it imparts ritual impurity from when the womb opens. Yet deceased fetuses do not impart ritual impurity in this manner even during the opening of the womb, until the head of the fetus is round like the size of a skein [pika] of yarn. The Gemara asks: What is the meaning of: Like a skein? Rav Huna said: It means like a skein of woolen yarn. Ḥiyya bar Rav said to Rav Huna: My teacher, explain your statement: Were you referring to a skein of warp threads or a skein of the thicker woof threads?
פריש של שתי או של ערב?
אמר ליה: תניא: פיקה של שתי, דברי רבי מאיר. רבי יהודה אומר: של ערב. רבי אליעזר ברבי צדוק אומר: משיראו טפיפיות. מאי טפיפיות?
Rav Huna said to him: It is taught in a baraita (Tosefta, Oholot 8:5): Deceased fetuses do not impart ritual impurity until the head of the fetus is the size of a skein of warp threads; this is the statement of Rabbi Meir. Rabbi Yehuda says: The head must be the size of a skein of woof threads. Rabbi Eliezer, son of Rabbi Tzadok, says: The fetus imparts ritual impurity from the time that tefifiyot are seen near the opening of the womb. The Gemara asks: What are tefifiyot? Rav Yehuda says that Shmuel says in the name of Rabbi Eliezer, son of Rabbi Tzadok: This is how they would explain it in Jerusalem: Tefifiyot are like the folds of skin that form when a mule bends down to urinate, and the area near the womb appears as a skein emerging from within a skein.
אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל משום רבי אליעזר ברבי צדוק: כך היו מפרשין בירושלים: כפרידה שכורעת להטיל מימיה, ונראית פיקה מתוך פיקה.
אמר רב הונא: שמעתי שתי פיקות, אחת של שתי ואחת של ערב, ואין לי לפרש. כי אתא רב דימי אמר רבי יוחנן: שלש פיקות שמעתי,
Rav Huna says: I heard two different halakhot with regard to skeins: One involves a skein of warp threads and the other one involves a skein of woof threads, and I do not have the knowledge to explain to which matter these halakhot refer. When Rav Dimi came to Babylonia from Eretz Yisrael, he said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: With regard to skeins, I heard three different halakhot: One involves a skein of warp threads, and one a skein of woof threads, and one a large skein used by sack makers, and I do not have the knowledge to explain to which matter these halakhot refer. When Ravin came to Babylonia from Eretz Yisrael, he explained this in the name of Rabbi Yoḥanan: To impart ritual impurity, the head of a fetus in the womb of a woman must be the size of a skein of warp threads, and the head of an animal fetus must be the size of a skein of woof threads.
אחת של שתי ואחת של ערב ואחת של פיקה גדולה של סקאין, ואין לי לפרש. כי אתא רבין פירשה משמיה דרבי יוחנן: של אשה כשל שתי,
של בהמה כשל ערב.
פיקה גדולה של סקאין, כדתנן: גוש הבא מבית הפרס, מארץ העמים — שיעורו כפיקה גדולה של סקאין, שהוא כחותם המרצופין, וישנו בצד העליון של מגופת החבית הלחמית.
As for the halakha involving a large skein used by sack makers, it is as we learned in a baraita (Tosefta, Kelim Bava Metzia 7:1): For it to impart ritual impurity, a clod of earth that comes from an area in which uncertainty exists concerning the location of a grave or a corpse [beit haperas], or from the land of the gentile nations, must be of the measure of a large skein used by sack makers, the size of which is like the seal of large sacks [martzofin]. And an item of this size is also found on the top side of the seal of a Bethlehem jug.
אמר ריש לקיש משום רבי יהודה נשיאה: הלוקח ציר מעם הארץ — משיקו במים, וטהור.
§ Reish Lakish says in the name of Rabbi Yehuda Nesia: One who purchases fish brine from one who is unreliable with regard to ritual impurity [am ha’aretz], who must purify it due to the concern that it was rendered impure while in the seller’s possession, brings it into contact with the water of a ritual bath so that the water touches the brine, and it is thereby rendered pure.
ממה נפשך, אי מיא רובא נינהו — כיון דעביד להו השקה טהרי להו, ואי רובא ציר נינהו — ציר לא בר קבולי טומאה הוא.
Reish Lakish explains: The brine is pure whichever way you look at it: If water is the majority of the brine mixture, once he brought the brine into contact with the ritual bath, the water in the brine mixture became pure and the impurity of the brine is nullified by the majority of pure water. And if the majority is the brine excreted by the fish itself it is also pure, as brine alone is not susceptible to ritual impurity. Consequently, what impurity is there? Any impurity is due only to that minority of water in the mixture, and that water is nullified by the majority of brine.
מאי איכא — משום הנך מיעוטא דמיא, הנך בטלו להו ברובא.
אמר רבי ירמיה: לא שנו אלא לטבול בהן פיתו, אבל לקדירה — לא, מצא מין את מינו וניעור. יתיב רב דימי וקאמר להא שמעתא. אמר ליה אביי:
Rabbi Yirmeya says: The Sages taught that one should use that method of purification only if he wishes to dip his bread in the brine. But for cooking in a pot with other water this method is not effective, as the liquid of the type that was nullified, i.e., the water in the brine, found its own type, the water in the pot, and is revived in its impure state, as the water which was previously only a minority of the mixture is now the majority. Rav Dimi was sitting and saying this halakha. Abaye said to Rav Dimi: But does nullified impurity return and revive in its impure state? Rav Dimi said to him: And you, do you not hold that this is the halakha? But didn’t we learn in a mishna (Teruma 5:2): With regard to a se’aof impure teruma that fell
וכי טומאה שבטלה חזרה וניעורה? אמר ליה: ואת לא תסברה? והתנן: סאה תרומה טמאה שנפלה
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למאה חולין טהורין, רבי אליעזר אומר: תירום ותרקב, שאני אומר: היא סאה שנפלה היא סאה שעלתה.
into one hundred se’a of pure, non-sacred produce, Rabbi Eliezer says: Let one se’a be lifted from the mixture and left to rot as impure teruma, as I say: The se’a that fell is the se’a that arose?
וחכמים אומרים: תעלה, ותיאכל ניקודים, או קליות, או תילוש במי פירות, או תתחלק לעיסות, ובלבד שלא יהא במקום אחד כביצה.
And the Rabbis say: Let the se’a of teruma arise and be nullified by the one hundred se’a of non-sacred produce, and then all one hundred and one se’a will be considered non-sacred. Nevertheless, the mixture may not be allowed to come in contact with water, so that it does not become susceptible to ritual impurity, and therefore it must be eaten dry or roasted. Or alternatively, it may be kneaded with fruit juice, which does not render a substance susceptible to impurity. Or alternatively, if one wants to knead it with water, it may divided into small batches, provided that there is not an egg-bulk of teruma in a single batch, as an egg-bulk is the minimum volume needed for food to be susceptible to contracting impurity.
ותני עלה: אותן חולין
And it is taught in that regard: Concerning those one hundred se’a of non-sacred produce,