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Bava Kamma 80

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Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Bava Kamma daf 80 (מסכת בבא קמא דף פ), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.

והטבח לוקח ושוחט, לוקח ושוהה – ובלבד שלא ישהה העגונה שבהן שלשים יום. שאלו תלמידיו את רבן גמליאל: מהו לגדל? אמר להן: מותר. והתנן: אין מגדלין! אלא הכי קא בעו…

The same discussion elsewhere in Shas

Bava Kamma 80: the daf with times in the shiur

Tap a time to hear Rabbi Karp's explanation of that passage.

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והטבח לוקח ושוחט, לוקח ושוהה – ובלבד שלא ישהה העגונה שבהן שלשים יום.

The baraita continues: And a butcher may buy small domesticated animals and slaughter them, and again buy small domesticated animals and keep them for a while, provided that he does not keep the last one of them that he bought beyond thirty days.

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שאלו תלמידיו את רבן גמליאל: מהו לגדל? אמר להן: מותר. והתנן: אין מגדלין!

His students asked Rabban Gamliel: What is the halakha with regard to raising small domesticated animals in Eretz Yisrael? Rabban Gamliel said to them: It is permitted. The Gemara interrupts its citation of the baraita to pose a question: How could Rabban Gamliel say this? But didn’t we learn in the mishna: One may not raise small domesticated animals in Eretz Yisrael?

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אלא הכי קא בעו מיניה: מהו לשהות? אמר להן: מותר, ובלבד שלא תצא ותרעה בעדר; אלא קושרה בכרעי המטה.

Rather, the text of the baraita must be emended, and they actually raised this dilemma before him: What is the halakha with regard to keeping them for a while? The Gemara resumes the quotation of the baraita: Rabban Gamliel said to them: It is permitted, provided that the animal does not go out and graze among the flock. Rather, one should tie it to the legs of the bed in his house.

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תנו רבנן: מעשה בחסיד אחד שהיה גונח מלבו, ושאלו לרופאים, ואמרו: אין לו תקנה עד שינק חלב רותח משחרית לשחרית. והביאו לו עז וקשרו לו בכרעי המטה,

The Sages taught in a baraita: There was an incident involving a certain pious man who was groaning, i.e., suffering, due to a pain in his heart. Those caring for the man asked the physicians what to do for him, and they said: There is no other remedy for him but that he should suckle warm milk every morning. And they brought him a she-goat and tied it to the leg of the bed for him, and he would suckle milk from it every morning.

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והיה יונק ממנה משחרית לשחרית.

▶ 2:16

לימים נכנסו חביריו לבקרו, כיון שראו אותה העז קשורה בכרעי המטה – חזרו לאחוריהם, ואמרו: לסטים מזויין בביתו של זה, ואנו נכנסין אצלו?!

Days later, his friends came in to visit him. When they saw that she-goat tied to the legs of the bed, they turned back, saying: There is an armed bandit in this man’s house, and we are going in to visit him? They referred to the goat in this manner because small animals habitually graze on the vegetation of others, thereby stealing their crops.

▶ 2:38

ישבו ובדקו, ולא מצאו בו אלא אותו עון של אותה העז. ואף הוא בשעת מיתתו אמר: יודע אני שאין בי עון אלא עון אותה העז,

His friends sat down and investigated this pious man’s behavior, and they could not find any sin attributable to him except that sin of keeping that she-goat in his house. That man himself also said at the time of his death: I know for a fact that I have no sin attributable to me except the sin of keeping that she-goat in my house, as I transgressed the statement of my colleagues, the Sages.

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שעברתי על דברי חברי.

▶ 4:03

אמר רבי ישמעאל: מבעלי בתים שבגליל העליון היו בית אבא; ומפני מה חרבו? שהיו מרעין בחורשין, ודנין דיני ממונות ביחיד. ואף על פי שהיו להם חורשים סמוך לבתיהם,

Rabbi Yishmael said: The members of my father’s family were among the wealthy property holders in the upper Galilee. And for what reason were they destroyed? It was due to the fact that they would graze flocks in the forests, and also because they would judge cases of monetary law by means of a single judge. And even though there were forests close to their houses, and therefore there should have been no problem for them to take their animals to graze in these forests, there was a small, private field and they would convey the animals on a path through it.

▶ 5:14

שדה קטנה היתה ומעבירין דרך עליה.

▶ 5:28

תנו רבנן: רועה שעשה תשובה – אין מחייבין אותו למכור מיד, אלא מוכר על יד על יד. וכן גר שנפלו לו כלבים וחזירים בירושתו

§ The Sages taught in a baraita: If there is a shepherd of small domesticated animals who repented, the court does not obligate him to sell all his animals immediately. Rather, he may sell them gradually. And likewise, in the case of a convert who came into possession of dogs and pigs (see 83a) as part of his inheritance, the court does not obligate him to sell all of them immediately. Rather, he may sell them gradually.

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– אין מחייבין אותו למכור מיד, אלא מוכר על יד על יד.

▶ 6:56

וכן מי שנדר ליקח בית וליקח אשה בארץ ישראל – אין מחייבין אותו ליקח מיד, עד שימצא את ההוגנת לו.

And similarly, with regard to one who vowed to purchase a house or to marry a woman in Eretz Yisrael, the court does not obligate him to acquire the first house or marry the first woman he sees immediately upon his arrival in Eretz Yisrael. Instead, he may wait until he finds the house or wife appropriate for him.

▶ 7:19

ומעשה באשה אחת שהיה בנה מיצר לה, וקפצה ונשבעה: ״כל מי שיבא, איני מחזירתו״, וקפצו עליה בני אדם שאינן מהוגנין. וכשבא הדבר אצל חכמים, אמרו:

And there was an incident involving a certain unmarried woman who had a son who was distressing her, and she jumped up and took an oath impulsively: Any man who comes to marry me and will discipline my son, I will not turn him away. And unworthy men jumped at the opportunity to marry her. And when the matter came before the Sages, they said: She need not marry one of these men, as this woman’s intention in her oath was certainly to marry only a man who is appropriate for her.

▶ 7:56

לא נתכוונה זו אלא להגון לה.

▶ 8:07

כשם שאמרו אין מגדלין בהמה דקה, כך אמרו אין מגדלין חיה דקה. רבי ישמעאל אומר: מגדלין כלבים כופרין, וחתולים, וקופין, וחולדות סנאים – מפני שעשויים לנקר את הבית.

The baraita continues: Just as the Sages said that one may not raise small domesticated animals, i.e., sheep and goats, so too they said that one may not raise small undomesticated animals. Rabbi Yishmael says: One may raise village dogs, cats, monkeys, and genets, because they serve to clean the house of mice and other vermin.

▶ 9:14

מאי חולדות סנאים? אמר רב יהודה: שרצא חרצא. ואיכא דאמרי: חרזא – דקטיני שקיה, ורעיא ביני וורדיני. ומאי שרצא? דמתתאי שקיה.

The Gemara asks: What are these genets? Rav Yehuda said: These are known in Aramaic as shartza ḥartza. And there are those who say that in Aramaic this animal is called ḥarza. This creature has short thighs and it grazes among the thorn bushes. And what is the reason that they are called shartza, a term that generally refers to creeping creatures that slither [shoretz] rather than walk? It is because its thighs are so short that it appears to slither instead of walking on legs.

▶ 10:00

אמר רב יהודה אמר רב: עשינו עצמנו בבבל כארץ ישראל לבהמה דקה. אמר ליה רב אדא בר אהבה לרב הונא: דידך מאי?

§ Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: We in Babylonia have rendered ourselves like the residents of Eretz Yisrael with regard to the prohibition of the Sages against raising small domesticated animals. Rav Adda bar Ahava said to Rav Huna: What of your sheep and goats? How can you raise these animals in Babylonia?

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אמר ליה: דידן קא מינטרא להו חובה. אמר ליה: חובה תקברינהו לבנה. כולהו שניה דרב אדא בר אהבה לא אקיים זרעא לרב הונא מחובה. איכא דאמרי,

Rav Huna said to him: Ḥova, my wife, watches the animals to ensure that they do not graze on land belonging to others. Rav Adda bar Ahava cursed Rav Huna and said to him: May Ḥova bury her son! In all the years of Rav Adda bar Ahava, no children of Rav Huna from Ḥova survived, due to this curse. There are those who say a different version of the above statement: Rav Huna says that Rav says: We in Babylonia rendered ourselves like those of Eretz Yisrael with regard to raising small domesticated animals, from the time when Rav came to Babylonia.

▶ 11:57

אמר רב הונא אמר רב: עשינו עצמנו בבבל כארץ ישראל לבהמה דקה, מכי אתא רב לבבל.

▶ 12:28

רב ושמואל ורב אסי איקלעו לבי שבוע הבן, ואמרי לה לבי ישוע הבן. רב לא עייל קמיה דשמואל,

§ Rav and Shmuel and Rav Asi once happened to be present at a house where a celebration was being held marking the passage of a week of a newborn son, i.e., a circumcision. And some say it was a house where a celebration was being held marking the redemption of a firstborn son. Rav would not enter before Shmuel, for reasons the Gemara will explain;

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▶ 13:21

שמואל לא עייל קמיה דרב אסי, רב אסי לא עייל קמיה דרב. אמרי: מאן נתרח? נתרח שמואל וניתי רב ורב אסי.

Shmuel would not enter before Rav Asi, as he considered Rav Asi to be greater than he; and Rav Asi would not enter before Rav, as Rav was his teacher. They said: Which of us should stay behind and let the other two come in before him? They decided: Let Shmuel stay behind, and let Rav and Rav Asi come inside in that order. Afterward, Shmuel himself would enter.

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ונתרח רב או רב אסי! רב – מילתא בעלמא הוא דעבד ליה לשמואל; משום ההוא מעשה דלטייה, אדבריה רב עליה.

The Gemara asks: And why didn’t they decide to let Rav or Rav Asi stay behind? The Gemara explains: It was a mere gesture that Rav performed for Shmuel in initially stating that Shmuel should precede him, as Rav did not really feel that Shmuel was superior to him. Rather, on account of that incident in which he inadvertently cursed Shmuel, Rav took upon himself to treat Shmuel with deference.

▶ 15:22

אדהכי והכי, אתא שונרא קטעיה לידא דינוקא. נפק רב ודרש: חתול – מותר להורגו, ואסור לקיימו, ואין בו משום גזל, ואין בו משום השב אבידה לבעלים.

In the meantime, while all this was going on, a cat [shunara] came and severed the hand of the baby. Rav emerged from the house and taught: With regard to a cat, it is permitted to kill it even if it is privately owned; and it is prohibited to maintain it in one’s possession; and it is not subject to the prohibition against theft if one takes it from its owner; and, in the case of a lost cat, it is not subject to the obligation of returning a lost item to its owner.

▶ 15:42

וכיון דאמרת ״מותר להורגו״, מאי ניהו תו ״אסור לקיימו״? מהו דתימא: מותר להורגו, איסורא ליכא; קא משמע לן.

The Gemara asks a question with regard to Rav’s statement: And since you said that it is permitted to kill it, what is the need to state further that it is prohibited to maintain it in one’s possession? If a cat is considered such a dangerous animal that it is permitted to kill it, of course one cannot keep it in his possession. The Gemara answers: Lest you say that although Rav ruled that it is permitted to kill it, he concedes that there is no prohibition in keeping it, Rav therefore teaches us that it is also prohibited to keep it in one’s possession.

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אמרי: וכיון דאמרת ״אין בו משום גזל״, מאי ניהו תו ״אין בו משום השב אבידה לבעלים״? אמר רבינא: לעורו.

The Sages say, further questioning Rav’s statement: And since you said that it is not subject to the prohibition against theft if one takes it from its owner, what is the need to state further that it is not subject to the obligation of returning a lost item to its owner in the case of a lost cat? If one may actively steal a cat, certainly there is no obligation to return it when found. Ravina said in response: Rav was referring to its hide.

▶ 17:02

מיתיבי, רבי שמעון בן אלעזר אומר: מגדלין כלבים כופרין, וחתולין, וקופין, וחולדות סנאים – מפני שעשויין לנקר את הבית! לא קשיא; הא באוכמא, הא בחיוורא.

The Gemara raises an objection from a baraita against Rav’s ruling that it is prohibited to keep a cat. Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar says: One may raise village dogs, cats, monkeys, and genets, because they serve to clean the house of mice and other vermin. The Gemara resolves the apparent contradiction: It is not difficult. This ruling in the baraita is stated with regard to a black cat, which is harmless, whereas that ruling of Rav is stated with regard to a white cat, which is dangerous.

▶ 17:35

והא מעשה דרב – אוכמא הוה! התם – אוכמא בר חיורא הוה. והא מבעיא בעיא ליה רבינא!

The Gemara raises a difficulty against this answer: But in the incident of Rav it was a black cat. Since this cat severed the baby’s hand, it was obviously a vicious, dangerous animal. The Gemara answers: There it was a black cat, but it was the offspring of a white one. The offspring of a white cat is dangerous, even if it itself is black. The Gemara further objects: But didn’t Ravina raise this very issue as a dilemma?

▶ 17:57

דבעי רבינא: אוכמא בר חיורא, מהו? כי קמבעיא ליה לרבינא – באוכמא בר חיורא בר אוכמא; מעשה דרב – באוכמא בר חיורא בר חיורא הוה.

As Ravina raised a dilemma: What is the halakha with regard to a black cat that is the offspring of a white one? Is it also dangerous like its parent? The Gemara answers: When Ravina raised the dilemma, it was with regard to a black cat that is the offspring of a white cat that itself is the offspring of a black cat. By contrast, in the incident with Rav it was a black cat that was the offspring of a white one, which was itself the offspring of a white cat. That animal is definitely dangerous.

▶ 18:37

(חב״ד בי״ח בח״ן – סימן.) אמר רבי אחא בר פפא משום רבי אבא בר פפא משום רבי אדא בר פפא, ואמרי לה:

§ The Gemara provides a mnemonic device for the distinguishing letters in the various names of the sons of Rav Pappa in the ensuing list: Ḥet beit dalet, beit yod ḥet, beit ḥet nun. Rabbi Aḥa bar Pappa says the following three statements in the name of Rabbi Abba bar Pappa, who said them in the name of Rabbi Adda bar Pappa. And some say Rabbi Abba bar Pappa says them in the name of Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Pappa, who said them in the name of Rabbi Aḥa bar Pappa. And some say Rabbi Abba bar Pappa says them in the name of Rabbi Aḥa bar Pappa, who said them in the name of Rabbi Ḥanina bar Pappa.

▶ 18:58

אמר רבי אבא בר פפא משום רבי חייא בר פפא משום רבי אחא בר פפא, ואמרי לה: אמר רבי אבא בר פפא משום רבי

▶ 19:12

אחא בר פפא משום רבי חנינא בר פפא:

▶ 19:17

מתריעין על החיכוך בשבת, ודלת הננעלת לא במהרה תפתח, והלוקח בית בארץ ישראל – כותבין עליו אונו אפילו בשבת.

The three statements are as follows: The court sounds the alarm on Shabbat over a breakout of sores; and a door that is locked will not be opened quickly; and with regard to one who purchases a house in Eretz Yisrael, one writes a bill of sale for this transaction even on Shabbat.

▶ 20:32

מיתיבי: ושאר פורעניות המתרגשות ובאות על הצבור – כגון חיכוך, חגב, זבוב, צירעה ויתוש, ושילוח נחשים ועקרבים – לא היו מתריעין, אלא צועקים!

The Gemara raises an objection from a baraita: After explaining how the public engages in prayer when there is a drought, the baraita teaches: And with regard to all other types of calamities that break out upon the community, other than drought, such as sores, a plague of locusts, flies, hornets, or mosquitoes, or infestations of snakes or scorpions, the court would not sound the alarm on Shabbat, but the people would cry out. This indicates that it is not proper to sound the alarm on Shabbat for an epidemic of sores.

▶ 20:58

לא קשיא; כאן בלח, כאן ביבש. דאמר רבי יהושע בן לוי: שחין שהביא הקדוש ברוך הוא על המצרים – לח מבחוץ ויבש מבפנים, שנאמר:

The Gemara answers: This is not difficult. Here it is referring to moist sores; whereas there it is referring to dry sores, which are more dangerous than moist ones. As Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi says: The boils that the Holy One, Blessed be He, brought upon the Egyptians were moist on the outside and dry on the inside, as it is stated: “And it became a boil breaking out with oozing upon man and upon beast” (Exodus 9:10). The phrase “breaking out” is referring to the exterior of the wound. Since the verse specifies that the outside was oozing with secretions, it can be inferred that the inside was dry. This indicates that the sores can be of either type.

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״ויהי שחין אבעבעת פורח באדם ובבהמה״.

▶ 21:56

״ודלת הננעלת לא במהרה תפתח״, מאי היא? מר זוטרא אמר: סמיכה. רב אשי אמר: כל המריעין לו, לא במהרה מטיבין לו. רב אחא מדיפתי אמר:

The Gemara analyzes the second of the three statements: And a door that is locked will not be opened quickly. This is clearly a metaphor, but to what is it referring? Mar Zutra said: It is a metaphor for rabbinic ordination. If one meets with resistance in his quest to receive ordination, he should take it as a sign that this opportunity will not soon open up for him again. Rav Ashi said: It means that anyone who is treated poorly will not soon be treated well. Rav Aḥa of Difti said: He will never be treated well. The Gemara comments: But that is not so; Rav Aḥa of Difti was saying only a matter that reflected what had occurred to him.

▶ 22:01

לעולם אין מטיבין לו. ולא היא, רב אחא מדיפתי מילתא דנפשיה הוא דאמר.

▶ 22:31

והלוקח בית בארץ ישראל – כותבין עליו אונו אפילו בשבת. בשבת סלקא דעתך?!

The Gemara turns its attention to the third statement: And with regard to one who purchases a house in Eretz Yisrael, one writes a bill of sale for this transaction even on Shabbat. The Gemara asks: Can it enter your mind that one may write this bill of sale on Shabbat? Writing on Shabbat is a prohibited labor for which one is liable to receive the death penalty.

▶ 22:41

אלא כדאמר רבא התם: אומר לגוי ועושה; הכי נמי, אומר לגוי ועושה. ואף על גב דאמירה לגוי שבות היא, משום ישוב ארץ ישראל לא גזרו ביה רבנן.

The Gemara explains: Rather, this is as Rava said there, with regard to a similar issue, that one tells a gentile to do it, and he does so. Here, too, it is referring to a situation where he tells a gentile to write a bill of sale for the house, and he does it. And even though telling a gentile to perform an action that is prohibited for a Jew on Shabbat is generally a violation of a rabbinic decree, as the Sages prohibited telling a gentile to perform prohibited labor on behalf of a Jew on Shabbat, here the Sages did not impose this decree, due to the mitzva of settling Eretz Yisrael.

▶ 23:13

אמר רבי שמואל בר נחמני אמר רבי יונתן: הלוקח עיר בארץ ישראל, כופין אותו ליקח לה דרך מארבע רוחותיה, משום ישוב ארץ ישראל.

Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥmani says that Rabbi Yonatan says: With regard to one who purchases a city in Eretz Yisrael, the court forces him to purchase a path to the city from all four of its sides, due to the importance of settling Eretz Yisrael.

תנו רבנן, עשרה תנאין התנה יהושע:

§ The Sages taught in a baraita: Joshua stipulated ten conditions when he apportioned Eretz Yisrael among the tribes: