בבא בתרא דף קלה
Bava Basra 135דף יומי שיעור אויף אידיש · בבא בתרא דף קלה
Daf Yomi shiur on Maseches Bava Basra daf 135 (מסכת בבא בתרא דף קלה), in Yiddish, by HaRav Avrohom Karp ZT"L. The Gemara page, Rashi and Tosafos follow along as you listen, with the English translation alongside.
ההוא דהוה קא שכיב, אמרו ליה: אתתיה למאן? אמר להו: חזיא לכהנא רבה. אמר רבא: מאי ניחוש לה? הא אמר רב חייא בר אבא אמר רבי יוחנן: בעל שאמר ״גרשתי…
The same discussion elsewhere in Shas
Bava Basra 135: the daf with times in the shiur
Tap a time to hear Rabbi Karp's explanation of that passage.
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ההוא דהוה קא שכיב, אמרו ליה: אתתיה למאן? אמר להו: חזיא לכהנא רבה.
The Gemara relates: There was a certain man, who was presumed to have brothers but no children, who was dying. His wife was therefore presumed to be obligated in levirate marriage. Those with him said to him: To whom may his wife, i.e., your wife, be married? Is she required to enter into levirate marriage, or is she permitted to marry whomever she wishes? He said to them: She is fit to marry even a High Priest. She is not required to enter into levirate marriage.
אמר רבא: מאי ניחוש לה? הא אמר רב חייא בר אבא אמר רבי יוחנן: בעל שאמר ״גרשתי את אשתי״ – נאמן! אמר ליה אביי,
Rava said: With what possibility need we be concerned with regard to her? Doesn’t Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba say that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: A husband who says: I have divorced my wife, is deemed credible, and she is exempt from levirate marriage? Therefore, this woman will be exempt as well. Abaye said to him: But when Rav Yitzḥak bar Yosef came from Eretz Yisrael, he said that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: A husband who says: I have divorced my wife, is not deemed credible. Rava said to him: But didn’t we resolve the contradiction, concluding that here Rabbi Yoḥanan was referring to a retroactive testimony and there he was referring to testimony for the future? Therefore, according to both versions of Rabbi Yoḥanan’s statement, the husband should be deemed credible in this case.
והא כי אתא רבי יצחק בר יוסף אמר רבי יוחנן: בעל שאמר ״גרשתי את אשתי״ – אינו נאמן! אמר ליה:
(ולאו) מי לא שנינהו – כאן למפרע, וכאן להבא?
ואשנויי ניקום ולסמוך?! אמר ליה רבא לרב נתן בר אמי: חוש לה.
Abaye responded: But shall we arise and rely on answers in a halakhic ruling? Although the contradiction can be resolved in this manner, there is no guarantee that this resolution is correct. Therefore Rav Yitzḥak bar Yosef’s statement should still be taken into consideration. Rava subsequently said to Rav Natan bar Ami: Be concerned about it. There may be a dispute with regard to this issue, as the resolution cannot be relied upon.
ההוא דהוה מוחזק לן דלית ליה אחי, ואמר בשעת מיתה דלית ליה אחי. אמר רב יוסף: מאי ליחוש לה? חדא, דמוחזק לן דלית ליה אחין. ועוד,
The Gemara relates: There was a certain man who was presumed by us, i.e., the court, to have no brothers, and he said at the time of his death that he has no brothers. Rav Yosef said: With what possibility need we be concerned with regard to his wife, in terms of her requiring levirate marriage? For one, he is presumed by us to have no brothers, and furthermore, he said at the time of his death that he has none. Abaye said to him: But don’t people say that there are witnesses overseas who know that he has brothers? Therefore, we should be concerned that this report is accurate.
הא אמר בשעת מיתה דלית ליה. אמר ליה אביי: הא אמרי דאיכא עדים במדינת הים דידעי דאית ליה אחי!
השתא מיהת הא ליתנהו קמן; לאו היינו דרבי חנינא – דאמר רבי חנינא: עדים בצד אסתן, ותאסר?!
Rav Yosef responded: In any event, now the witnesses are not present before us, so this possibility does not need to be taken into account. Isn’t this the same as Rabbi Ḥanina’s ruling in a case where women who were captured and subsequently liberated claimed that they were not raped in captivity (Ketubot 23a)? As although people said there were witnesses elsewhere who could testify that they were raped, Rabbi Ḥanina says that they were permitted to marry a priest, reasoning: Just because there may be witnesses in the north [istan], i.e., in a distant place, will the woman be forbidden?
אמר ליה אביי: אם הקלנו בשבויה – משום דמנוולא נפשה לגבי שבאי; נקל באשת איש?! אמר ליה רבא לרב נתן בר אמי: חוש לה.
Abaye said to him: If we were lenient with regard to a captive woman, due to, among other reasons, the fact that she makes herself repulsive before the captor so that he will not want to rape her, and we assume that she was not raped, should we be lenient with regard to a married woman? Rava said to Rav Natan bar Ami: Be concerned about it. Do not permit this woman to remarry until the matter is clarified.
״זה אחי״ – אינו נאמן. ואידך מאי קאמרי? אי קאמרי ״אחונא הוא״, אמאי יטול עמו בחלקו ותו לא? אלא דקא אמרי ״לאו אחינו הוא״?
§ The mishna teaches that one who says: This is my brother, is not deemed credible with regard to his other brothers’ share of their father’s inheritance. Rather, the man in question receives a portion only from the portion of the one who testified concerning him. The Gemara clarifies: And what do the other brothers say? If they say: He is our brother, why does the man in question take a portion of the inheritance only with the one who testified, from his portion, and nothing more? If the other brothers admit that he is their brother, they should give him a share of their portions as well. Rather, they are saying: He is not our brother.
אימא סיפא: נפלו לו נכסים ממקום אחר – יירשו אחיו עמו. הא אמרי ליה: ״לאו אחונא הוא״!
The Gemara questions this: Say the last clause of the mishna: If property came into the possession of the man in question from somewhere else, and he died, the brothers of the one who testified shall inherit the man in question’s property with him. Why should they inherit with him? Didn’t they say to him: He is not our brother?
לא צריכא, דקא אמרי: ״אין אנו יודעין״.
The Gemara answers: No, it is necessary to state this ruling only in a case where they say: We do not know if he is our brother. Therefore, they are not obligated to give him a portion of their inheritance, as he cannot prove to them that he is their brother. Nevertheless, they can claim a portion of his inheritance after his death, on the basis of their brother’s testimony.
אמר רבא, זאת אומרת: ״מנה לי בידך״, והלה אומר ״איני יודע״ – פטור.
Rava says: That is to say that if one says to another: I have one hundred dinars in your possession, and the other person says: I do not know, he is exempt, similar to this case, where the brothers who claim that they do not know if this person is their brother are not obligated to share their inheritance with him.
אביי אמר:
Abaye said:
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לעולם אימא לך חייב; ושאני הכא, דכ״מנה לאחר בידך״ דמי.
Actually, I will say to you that one who responds to a claim that he does not know if he owes the one hundred dinars is obligated to pay; but here, in the case of the brothers, it is different. The brothers are not obligated to share their portion with the man in question because the brother who testified is like one who claims: Another person has one hundred dinars in your possession. Since the claimant is not the one who is owed the money, the other party can reject his claim by merely answering that he does not know whether he owes him.
מת – יחזרו נכסים למקומן. בעי רבא: שבח ששבחו נכסים מאליהם, מהו?
§ The mishna teaches: If the man in question dies, the property he received from the father’s inheritance shall return to its place, i.e., to the possession of the brother who testified on his behalf, and if the man in question received property from elsewhere, it is inherited by all the brothers equally. Rava raises a dilemma: With regard to the enhancement of the property received by the man in question from the portion of the brother who testified, where its enhanced value was the result of an enhancement that happened naturally, as opposed to one that resulted from exertion, what is the halakha? Who inherits it?
בשבח המגיע לכתפים – לא תיבעי לך, דכי נפלו לו נכסים ממקום אחר דמי. כי תיבעי לך – בשבח שאינו מגיע לכתפים; כגון דיקלא ואלים,
The Gemara elaborates: With regard to enhancement that reaches shoulders, i.e., ripe produce that needs only to be harvested from the field, do not raise the dilemma, as it is considered like property that came into his possession from elsewhere. It is not considered part of the land that was given to him by the brother who testified, and it is therefore divided among all the brothers. Rather, let the dilemma be raised with regard to enhancement that does not reach shoulders, and is not considered separate from the ground, such as a palm tree that thickened, or land that yielded silt. What is the halakha in this case? Is the enhancement included in the property itself, or is it considered separate property? The Gemara comments: The dilemma shall stand unresolved.
ארעא ואסקא שרטון; מאי? תיקו.
מתני׳ מי שמת ונמצאת דייתיקי קשורה על יריכו – הרי זו אינה כלום. זיכה בה לאחר – בין מן היורשין, בין שאינן מן היורשין – דבריו קיימין.
MISHNA: With regard to one who died, and a will written by a person on his deathbed [dayetikei] is found bound to his thigh, which clearly indicates that it was written by him and was not forged, this is nothing. The will is not valid, as he did not give it to anyone, and he may have reconsidered. If he transferred ownership of the will to the designated recipient through another person, whether one of the heirs or whether not one of the heirs, his statement stands.
גמ׳ תנו רבנן: איזה היא דייתיקי? כל שכתוב בה: ״דא תהא למיקם ולהיות״. ואיזה היא מתנה? כל שכתוב בה: ״מהיום ולאחר מיתה״.
GEMARA: The Sages taught (Tosefta 8:10): Which deed is considered a dayetikei, and is collected by the designated recipient after the death of the giver? Any deed in which it is written: This will be to stand and exist after my death. And which type is considered a deed of gift? Any deed in which it is written: From today and after my death.
אלא ״מהיום ולאחר מיתה״ – הוא דהויא מתנה, ״מעכשיו״ – לא הויא מתנה?! אמר אביי, הכי קאמר: איזו היא מתנת בריא שהיא כמתנת שכיב
The Gemara asks: Is it considered a deed of gift only if the expression: From today and after my death, is written, whereas if it is written only: From now, it is not considered a deed of gift? Abaye said that this is what the baraita is saying: Which deed of gift of a healthy person is considered like the deed of gift of a person on his deathbed, in that the recipient acquires it only after the death of the giver? Any deed in which it is written: From today and after my death.
מרע – דלא קני אלא לאחר מיתה? כל שכתוב בה: ״מהיום ולאחר מיתה״.
יתיב רבה בר רב הונא באכסדרא דבי רב, ויתיב וקאמר משמיה דרבי יוחנן: שכיב מרע שאמר ״כתבו ותנו מנה לפלוני״, ומת – אין כותבין ונותנין; שמא לא
§ Rabba bar Rav Huna was sitting in the balcony of Rav’s study hall, and sat and said in the name of Rabbi Yoḥanan: If there is a person on his deathbed who says: Write a deed of transfer, granting property of mine to another, and give with it one hundred dinars to so-and-so, and he then died, one does not write and give it. This is because perhaps he resolved to transfer it to him only with a deed of transfer, and since the deed was not written in his lifetime it cannot be written after his death, as a deed of transfer is not effective after the death of the owner.
גמר להקנותו אלא בשטר, ואין שטר לאחר מיתה.
אמר להו רבי אלעזר: איזדהרו בה. רב שיזבי אמר: רבי אלעזר אמרה, ואמר להו רבי יוחנן: איזדהרו בה.
Rabba bar Rav Huna continued that when Rabbi Yoḥanan stated this halakha, Rabbi Elazar said to the other Sages: Heed this halakha; it is correct. Rav Sheizevi said: That is not what happened; Rabbi Elazar is the one who said this halakha, and it was Rabbi Yoḥanan who said to them: Heed this halakha.
אמר רב נחמן בר יצחק: כותיה דרב שיזבי מסתברא. אי אמרת בשלמא רבי אלעזר אמרה, אצטריך רבי יוחנן לאסהודי עליה דרבי אלעזר. אלא אי אמרת רבי יוחנן אמרה,
Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said: It is reasonable to say that the incident was in accordance with the version presented by Rav Sheizevi. Granted, if you say that Rabbi Elazar said the halakha, Rabbi Yoḥanan needed to affirm the ruling of Rabbi Elazar. But if you say that Rabbi Yoḥanan was the one who said it, did Rabbi Elazar need to affirm the ruling of Rabbi Yoḥanan, his teacher?
אצטריך רבי אלעזר לאסהודי עליה דרבי יוחנן רביה?!
ועוד, תא שמע דרבי אלעזר אמרה, דשלח רבין משמיה דרבי אבהו: הוו יודעים ששלח רבי אלעזר לגולה משום רבינו: שכיב מרע שאמר ״כתבו ותנו מנה לפלוני״,
And furthermore, come and hear proof that Rabbi Elazar was the one who said this halakha, from another statement of his, as Ravin sent a message in the name of Rabbi Abbahu: Know that Rabbi Elazar sent a ruling to the exile in the name of our teacher, stating that if there is a person on his deathbed who says: Write a deed of transfer and give with it one hundred dinars to so-and-so, and he then died, one does not write and give it. This is because perhaps he resolved to transfer it only with a deed of transfer, and since the deed was not written in his lifetime it cannot be written after his death, as a deed of transfer is not effective after the death of the owner. And Rabbi Yoḥanan says: This ruling is correct; however, the wording of the deed should be examined.
ומת – אין כותבין ונותנין; שמא לא גמר להקנותו אלא בשטר, ואין שטר לאחר מיתה. ורבי יוחנן אמר: תיבדק.
מאי ״תיבדק״? כי אתא רב דימי אמר: דייתיקי מבטלת דייתיקי. שכיב מרע שאמר: ״כתבו ותנו מנה לפלוני״, ומת – רואין; אם כמיפה את כחו – כותבין,
The Gemara asks: What did Rabbi Yoḥanan mean by saying that the wording should be examined? The Gemara answers: When Rav Dimi came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia, he stated two halakhot. The first was that a dayetikei cancels a previous dayetikei. The second explains the examination to which Rabbi Yoḥanan was referring: If there is a person on his deathbed who said: Write a deed of transfer and give with it one hundred dinars to so-and-so, and he then died, the court must see what his intention was in instructing the other person to write a deed of transfer; if it was to enhance the recipient’s power by writing a document proving that he was given the gift, one writes the document even after his death, as he intended to give the money anyway. But if not, rather it was the giver’s intention to transfer the gift specifically through a deed of transfer, one does not write it and give the money, as a deed of transfer is not effective after the death of the owner.
ואם לאו – אין כותבין.
מתיב רבי אבא בר ממל: בריא שאמר ״כתבו ותנו מנה לפלוני״, ומת – אין כותבין ונותנין. הא שכיב מרע – כותבין ונותנין!
Rabbi Abba bar Memel raises an objection from a baraita: If there is a healthy person who said: Write a deed of transfer and give with it one hundred dinars to so-and-so, and he then died, one does not write and give it. Rabbi Abba bar Memel inferred: But if a person on his deathbed states this request, one writes and gives it. He raises the objection and he resolves it: The ruling of that baraita is in a case where he was enhancing the recipient’s legal power by writing him a document of proof.
הוא מותיב לה והוא מפרק לה – במיפה את כחו.
היכי דמי מיפה את כחו?
The Gemara explains: What are the circumstances under which it is apparent that he was enhancing his legal power?